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Re: Speed limits?

Postby mjsroofing » Wed Nov 01, 2017 8:35 pm

Thequeenscheese wrote:Haha bloody typos haha..


Check out the highway code"dual carriageway is a road which has a central reservation to separate the carriageways."
I didn't make it up like.
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Re: Speed limits?

Postby Thequeenscheese » Wed Nov 01, 2017 10:32 pm

Put it this way the stocksbridge bypass has no central reservations and is mostly 3 or single lanes dual uphill for overtaking with timed speed cameras all the way, Sheffield council had to refund tickets because the the speed signs are national speed limit signs and it was deemed a dual carriageway in parts so people who had got tickets had them refunded whilst doing 70 on the dual lane parts of the road.Although it was some time ago now and maybe the road has been reclassified, or whatever to make it conform I remember the cameras were turned of because of this.
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Re: Speed limits?

Postby mjsroofing » Wed Nov 01, 2017 11:08 pm

Thequeenscheese wrote:Put it this way the stocksbridge bypass has no central reservations and is mostly 3 or single lanes dual uphill for overtaking with timed speed cameras all the way, Sheffield council had to refund tickets because the the speed signs are national speed limit signs and it was deemed a dual carriageway in parts so people who had got tickets had them refunded whilst doing 70 on the dual lane parts of the road.Although it was some time ago now and maybe the road has been reclassified, or whatever to make it conform I remember the cameras were turned of because of this.


I'm not trying to dismiss what you are saying or call you a liar, I just read what it says in the highway code.
If the council decided to refund tickets that's their choice but it has no effect to the highway code.
The council has no say on the highway code.

I'm sure if you get a speeding fine and go to court stating that your local council refunded a fine the judge would not change the highway code and deem you correct.
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Re: Speed limits?

Postby Mike » Wed Nov 01, 2017 11:25 pm

Thequeenscheese wrote: Sheffield council had to refund tickets.


What’s it got to do with the council, they don’t issue fines :?

Got a link to it in the local rag?
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Re: Speed limits?

Postby Thequeenscheese » Wed Nov 01, 2017 11:41 pm

Ok I got it a tad wrong, (my youth, second had info from pops, and having moved out well before it happened lol,) but I'm sorta right they didn't overturn them all just a few who disputed it, but it was down to the signs and being a dual carriageway etc..

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http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/dis ... -1-2397490
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Re: Speed limits?

Postby Thequeenscheese » Wed Nov 01, 2017 11:43 pm

mjsroofing wrote:
Thequeenscheese wrote:Put it this way the stocksbridge bypass has no central reservations and is mostly 3 or single lanes dual uphill for overtaking with timed speed cameras all the way, Sheffield council had to refund tickets because the the speed signs are national speed limit signs and it was deemed a dual carriageway in parts so people who had got tickets had them refunded whilst doing 70 on the dual lane parts of the road.Although it was some time ago now and maybe the road has been reclassified, or whatever to make it conform I remember the cameras were turned of because of this.


I'm not trying to dismiss what you are saying or call you a liar, I just read what it says in the highway code.
If the council decided to refund tickets that's their choice but it has no effect to the highway code.
The council has no say on the highway code.

I'm sure if you get a speeding fine and go to court stating that your local council refunded a fine the judge would not change the highway code and deem you correct.

I agree the code is the code, but that's what happened, I apologise for being grumpy a the point of my post I'd just rewritten a complaint to an online store 8 times in a stupid e ticket box which kept failing to send and would not let me copy or paste to it gree
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Re: Speed limits?

Postby mjsroofing » Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:35 am

I had to stick to my guns as I only found out a couple of years ago, lol.

I think it's a grey area though.
The first time a read it a couple of years ago it said, central barrier or grass bank , or something to that effect, now I can only find, "central reservation "

Anyway, something to catch us van drivers out.
Two lanes, but no central reservation, mean it's 50mph on national speed limit sign, not 70 like a car or 60 for a van on dual.
Enough to catch a few out isn't it.
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Re: Speed limits?

Postby V8_Bodge » Thu Nov 02, 2017 4:33 am

As I was told when I joined the roads department, "it's a central reserve, a reservation is where red Indians live".
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Re: Speed limits?

Postby mjsroofing » Thu Nov 02, 2017 7:08 am

V8_Bodge wrote:As I was told when I joined the roads department, "it's a central reserve, a reservation is where red Indians live".


I just copied and paste straight from the highway code. I don't really call it anything to be fair, I just drive on, lol.
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Re: Speed limits?

Postby Mike » Thu Nov 02, 2017 9:07 am

Thequeenscheese wrote:Ok I got it a tad wrong, (my youth, second had info from pops, and having moved out well before it happened lol,) but I'm sorta right they didn't overturn them all just a few who disputed it, but it was down to the signs and being a dual carriageway etc..

Found this
http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/dis ... -1-2397490


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Re: Speed limits?

Postby dumper » Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:23 am

Just been on a speeding course and to be classed as a duel carriageway it has to have separation between the apposing lanes be it grass / barrier/ Armco it must have a gap in the tarmac . Lower speed limits on duel carriageways are dictated by street lights and sineage as I’ve said before U.K. traffic laws are to complicated
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Re: Speed limits?

Postby Thequeenscheese » Thu Nov 02, 2017 7:05 pm

dumper wrote:Just been on a speeding course and to be classed as a duel carriageway it has to have separation between the apposing lanes be it grass / barrier/ Armco it must have a gap in the tarmac . Lower speed limits on duel carriageways are dictated by street lights and sineage as I’ve said before U.K. traffic laws are to complicated


So what's classed as a gap, 1ft with hashings? 2ft with hashings, 8ft no hashings etc?
I wonder if they are any single lane 70mph roads about I single lane that has a central reserve separating it from the other direction, on that basis there's no need for that type of road to be restricted either then..
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Re: Speed limits?

Postby dumper » Thu Nov 02, 2017 7:46 pm

If it tarmac all the way across eg 4 lanes and all tarmac kerb to kerb it’s not duel carriageway a foot of grass all the way down the centre of the road makes it duel carriageway so only street lights or sineage can lower the speed limit from the National speed limit
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Re: Speed limits?

Postby Mike » Fri Nov 03, 2017 12:51 pm

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Re: Speed limits?

Postby bigjohnthomas » Fri Nov 03, 2017 1:13 pm

:lol: nice one mike
You were borne to be a grammar teacher :wink:
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