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Re: hot wire an auction 2005 No keys.

Postby ned » Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:21 am

Altransit wrote:You wouldn't need to break the barrell, just swap the chips in the keys over, BUT, aren't the injectors coded to the CPU/ECU on a TDCI.

Transponder ring won't need to be swapped as they're generic.


Ah good point my good man I forgot the later mk6 tdci's don't have a separate injector control module :oops: so the transponder ring is just a reader 8) another school day. N
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Re: hot wire an auction 2005 No keys.

Postby zflash7 » Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:46 am

theory... Ned... the difference being about $700 if the theory fails... tilt trucks are ....expensive. :shock: . I thought there were geniuses here... I will lash out and give $5 to whoever can guarantee the theory to be a fact...
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Re: hot wire an auction 2005 No keys.

Postby knobby1 » Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:00 am

zflash7 wrote:theory... Ned... the difference being about $700 if the theory fails... tilt trucks are ....expensive. :shock: . I thought there were geniuses here... I will lash out and give $5 to whoever can guarantee the theory to be a fact...


There certainly are some clever chaps on here...but.....There's too many different engine models/configurations and combinations of electronics depending on year model and accessories level etc....nobody can guarantee anything. Just in the Mk6's & Mk7's there's at least 30 different configurations each...take your pick.

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Re: hot wire an auction 2005 No keys.

Postby Altransit » Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:08 am

zflash7 wrote:theory... Ned... the difference being about $700 if the theory fails... tilt trucks are ....expensive. :shock: . I thought there were geniuses here... I will lash out and give $5 to whoever can guarantee the theory to be a fact...

Most of us are van owners like yourself, keeping our vans running with help from like minded owners. Geniuses have well paid high flying jobs, and probably don't need to hang around on forums helping lesser mortals.
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Re: hot wire an auction 2005 No keys.

Postby Jim Archer » Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:29 pm

In theory, you can mix and match compatable pump EDCs, ECUs, PATS, PCMs, BCMs, etc and code them in, and off you go.

In practice you need to have certain items in place, and things coded in a certain order else it's tilt light time.

Try and be more specific with what, where, and when with your 2 vehicles. The Transit TDCI moniker applies to at least 4 different management systems over the preceeding 10-15 years, then you have the sub divisions within each range.

If it's just keys you are missing, a good auto-locksmith will get you up and running in about 1hr and a hefty wodge of folding pictures of Her Royal Majesty Queen Elisbeth the Second, head of the Commonwealth and it's dominions ...... etc
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Re: hot wire an auction 2005 No keys.

Postby zflash7 » Sat Aug 11, 2018 12:26 am

so... just to re-cap... theoretically.. My key from my 135 T330 H9FA 6 gear model,(they seem identical) Taped to the steering column and a screwdriver starter. WITH the PCM swapped from mine to the auction one
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Re: hot wire an auction 2005 No keys.

Postby Jim Archer » Sat Aug 11, 2018 9:56 am

Should do yes, but it will all need coding in for pump to work and engine to run. Axle ratios will need to be the same (or re-assigned) or it will be a long drive at 35mph limp home.

And you are assuming it's a runner in the first place. Many vehicles with terminal issues oddly have 'missing' keys as well ........

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Re: hot wire an auction 2005 No keys.

Postby ned » Sat Aug 11, 2018 10:01 am

Jim Archer wrote:Should do yes, but it will all need coding in for pump to work and engine to run. Axle ratios will need to be the same (or re-assigned) or it will be a long drive at 35mph limp home.

And you are assuming it's a runner in the first place. Many vehicles with terminal issues oddly have 'missing' keys as well ........

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Mk6 tdci has a dumb pump so only the injectors need coding or it'll just run rough as hell :wink: N
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Re: hot wire an auction 2005 No keys.

Postby twin wheel camper » Sat Aug 11, 2018 7:18 pm

Jim Archer wrote:Should do yes, but it will all need coding in for pump to work and engine to run. Axle ratios will need to be the same (or re-assigned) or it will be a long drive at 35mph limp home.

And you are assuming it's a runner in the first place. Many vehicles with terminal issues oddly have 'missing' keys as well ........

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That’s my thinking as well keys lost so you don’t no if it’s running or more likely it isn’t running :evil:
I’m sure it’s like here you buy with no guarantee typical auction rules apply.
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Re: hot wire an auction 2005 No keys.

Postby Jim Archer » Sat Aug 11, 2018 8:35 pm

Agreed, but the pump still needs coding to the PATS.

Judging by how quickly yer tealeafs can have away your pride and joy with just a bump key and a coder box says it should be easy if you know what you are doing.

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Re: hot wire an auction 2005 No keys.

Postby zflash7 » Sun Aug 12, 2018 4:45 am

I limped home with the last 135.. I bought at auction... the PATS kicked in and it was 60km/ph all the way... so PATS will more than likely kick in with this one also... never doing that again... OK this was fun and me thinkin'.. :idea: ... :shock: ... I'll toss a coin on Tuesday.. till then... thanks all for the info...
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Re: hot wire an auction 2005 No keys.

Postby Altransit » Sun Aug 12, 2018 10:27 am

zflash7 wrote:I limped home with the last 135.. I bought at auction... the PATS kicked in and it was 60km/ph all the way... so PATS will more than likely kick in with this one also...

You're slightly confused, PATS can prevent a vehicle starting, it's an anti-theft system, but once it's started PATS will have no effect on the running of the engine. Limp home mode can cut in at any point and limit the engine power, but that can be for a variety of reasons, it's nothing to do with PATS.
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Re: hot wire an auction 2005 No keys.

Postby zflash7 » Thu Aug 16, 2018 1:58 am

had the tilt tray for $600 organized.. cheapest.. and the stupid van bought $1500 and the owner didnt accept.. I give up...maybe I should repair the engine... or start again with a better model... Thanks for the detailed advise.. :wink:
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