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Re: Loots Red custom

Postby loot » Sat Oct 07, 2017 8:18 pm

Hi all I had 2 races today so been busy :-(

Also been a while since we did this so i might not understand what loot did either :oops: it's a lot easier when you know in your head :shock:

I used a small Ford relay but used a cap to store energy to the low input switch coil to delay closing enough to allow the mirrors to register a pulse and actuate.

Bjt used a tiny crap relay that was a bit slow anyway which is actually more suited to this application (damn his engineering prowess) :P

The mirrors work perfect if you open/fold double lock/fold.
They don't work if you single lock/fold closed then double lock/fold open then unlock/fold closed :?
Needs slight modification but you can quickly double press to correct them if they shut when you unlock, no big problem tbh.
Ford are away of the situation but don't care :mrgreen:

Anyway.....
Pin 3 +v pulse and ground is good and the pin 4+8 are either side no earth the mirror switch pin 4+8 link via the switch so when pressed they are bridged together, why have you got ground?

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If you have a big arse relay it won't work on 1 side because the relay is stronger than the pulse is :-(
I've only looked at your wiring diagram so if I'm wrong I'll have to look at earlier posts in the topic for you :-)
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Re: Loots Red custom

Postby neill » Sat Oct 07, 2017 8:56 pm

So wiring diagram like this then?
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Re: Loots Red custom

Postby loot » Sat Oct 07, 2017 10:21 pm

Yes :-)
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Re: Loots Red custom

Postby neill » Mon Oct 09, 2017 8:52 pm

Many thanks for help with wiring, the last diagram I posted which Loots confirmed as ok has indeed worked.

I may play around with the wiring to improve the modification in terms of the mirrors not opening when you relock the van . I have used a mirror module off eBay in the past with good success on another vehicle so may try again
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Re: Loots Red custom

Postby loot » Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:38 pm

Keep us posted if you do :-)
If memory serves, the pin 3 pulse is bidirectional which may be useful with diodes or something.
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Re: Loots Red custom

Postby bigjohnthomas » Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:43 pm

Mines good as it is when they go out of sync with opening the back doors I just press the unlock twice
Or lock twice
All good perfect :D
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Re: Loots Red custom

Postby loot » Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:49 pm

I do too but it would be good to eventually get it fool proof so we look a bit professional :-)
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Re: Loots Red custom

Postby karl » Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:52 pm

loot wrote:Karl mcghee.

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Re: Loots Red custom

Postby loot » Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:55 pm

:lol: i don't remember doing that :-)
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Re: Loots Red custom

Postby King Dodo » Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:00 pm

Slowly getting through this mammoth thread lol

Might be a long shot or just wrong but could you not use the central locking for the front door to be the coil power for your auto close and open mirror relay?


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Re: Loots Red custom

Postby loot » Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:04 pm

The signal goes one way for lock and the opposite for unlock, you could use a bidirectional circuit of some sort:-)
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Re: Loots Red custom

Postby King Dodo » Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:08 pm

Well on lock contact could you not ring that to 1 relay? And unlock contact to another relay? I have a fair bit of knowledge I'm AC power, not a lot in automobiles and DC, so please just tell me to shut my trap if I'm well off lol


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Re: Loots Red custom

Postby loot » Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:19 pm

No that's fine Lol, i found it is the same pin so imagine a motor and you connect live to left pin and negative to the right pin and it spins clockwise for lock. Then you have to reverse the wires to get it to spin anticlockwise for unlock. Problem is that without power there's no live or negative in the control as they float, and there is only 1 connection pin.

So we fit a low power relay which the coil can energise left or right and it closes the switch momentarily to activate the mirrors, however the switch for the mirrors is just a n/o switch and it has no knowledge of whether the mirror is open or closed, so unless you fit some kind of switch that knows if the mirror is in or out and a circuit or something that adds intelligence to the system then all we have is this setup.

If i lock twice they fold shut, if i unlock once they open, that's great, if i lock then open in any other sequence then the mirrors get confused, i then jump in and flip the switch to unfold them.

It works fine tbh and the whole point is so they fold when you park the van and don't come back to broken mirrors so for 1 pound and maybe an hour of careful engineering i think it is fine :-)

You could possibly mount a reed switch and glue a magnet into the mirror so when it folds closed it will give you a basis for controlling when it operates. :wink:
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Re: Loots Red custom

Postby King Dodo » Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:23 pm

Ye but like you said, for a quid, it's not the end of the world without pulling to much apart to fit more wires and switches just so it knows where the mirrors are lol


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Re: Loots Red custom

Postby bigjohnthomas » Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:38 pm

8) I await to see the prototype :P
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