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Early transits with no MOT.

Postby baconsdozen » Mon Oct 02, 2017 9:28 am

My Mk1 becomes MOT exempt in May. In lots of ways it makes no difference because I like to keep the thing in good order. But,like many I dont have a ramp or pit and was pleased that at least once a year I got to have a good lokk underneath and also got a second opinion on the state of it and a brake test on some rollers.
I wonder if the lack of MOT will mean some sorry old wrecks are going to be used when unsafe,or do you think we can all be trusted?
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Re: Early transits with no MOT.

Postby mistericeman » Mon Oct 02, 2017 11:28 am

Same as having anything MOT exempt....
we can still take it to be tested for the same fee we have always paid...
I have 5 old Landrovers and they will still get taken for a yearly MOT check as I don't have a ramp OR rollers to check the brakes (we all get used to driving vehicles that pull a little when braking and automatically compensate)
The MOT fee is IMHO a small price to pay for a experienced second pair of eyes to look over a vehicle.
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Re: Early transits with no MOT.

Postby Luke » Mon Oct 02, 2017 5:06 pm

i don't agree with this at all - i think there is an ulterior motive to rid the roads of older vehicles

i will continue to MOT mine -although i will have to as i have a 15% power increase on all my MOT exempt vehicles
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Re: Early transits with no MOT.

Postby Neil » Mon Oct 02, 2017 6:43 pm

baconsdozen wrote:My Mk1 becomes MOT exempt in May. In lots of ways it makes no difference because I like to keep the thing in good order. But,like many I dont have a ramp or pit and was pleased that at least once a year I got to have a good lokk underneath and also got a second opinion on the state of it and a brake test on some rollers.
I wonder if the lack of MOT will mean some sorry old wrecks are going to be used when unsafe,or do you think we can all be trusted?

is it not pre 1960 :?: or has it been changed
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Re: Early transits with no MOT.

Postby DodgeRover » Tue Oct 03, 2017 12:13 pm

Neil wrote:
baconsdozen wrote:My Mk1 becomes MOT exempt in May. In lots of ways it makes no difference because I like to keep the thing in good order. But,like many I dont have a ramp or pit and was pleased that at least once a year I got to have a good lokk underneath and also got a second opinion on the state of it and a brake test on some rollers.
I wonder if the lack of MOT will mean some sorry old wrecks are going to be used when unsafe,or do you think we can all be trusted?

is it not pre 1960 :?: or has it been changed


40 year rolling date from May, unless modified or having had more than a 15% increase in power since 1988. So by rights anything that's been re powered from a V4 or Perkins engine is no longer of historical significance and not exempted from testing. It's been put onto the owner to declare correctly or pay for specialist advice. Expect a wave of registration number cancellations for hot rods that can't prove they were modded before '88 and don't meet the 8 point rule.
If you go by the letter of the rules fitting a 5 speed into a Mk1/2 puts you into BIVA catagory as cutting the shell in anyway (even to relocate the gearstick) looses you the identity. There has been talk about making MOT testers responsible for flagging any vehicles they notice as modified for later inspection.
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Re: Early transits with no MOT.

Postby bulls in transit » Tue Oct 03, 2017 1:03 pm

Will the emission levels on older vehicles that are testable due to modification have to fall in line with current Mot levels for newer vehicles with these introductions?
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Re: Early transits with no MOT.

Postby DougT » Tue Oct 03, 2017 1:07 pm

The Government website still says that vehicles registered between 1960 and 1977 still require an MOT. OK websites are not always up to date but I would have thought that this is correct.

https://www.gov.uk/historic-vehicles

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Re: Early transits with no MOT.

Postby DodgeRover » Tue Oct 03, 2017 5:19 pm

Mot not required after may 2018. Anything expiring after that on a pre '77 unmodified van you will be exempt.
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Re: Early transits with no MOT.

Postby DougT » Tue Oct 03, 2017 5:22 pm

Ah, further investigation - it is still a proposal. Nothing has yet been passed into legislation yet so it could still change.

The 15% is in a "guidance note" so that is not final yet. But the guidance note also says that any modification completed before 1988 will not be considered a substantial change. Also nothing on modifications to bring into line with a spec that did exist at the time.

The devil will be in the detail no doubt.

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Re: Early transits with no MOT.

Postby baconsdozen » Wed Oct 04, 2017 9:08 am

I have read on a couple of forums that people with older (Pre 1960) vehicles who have taken their vehicles in for an MOT have then had their 'historic' status voided by the DVLA .
This seems a bit weird,I wonder just how well thought out these ideas are. It seems to me that asking an MOT tester to check your vehicle over makes sense just for your own piece of mind I think insurance companies and the police can still take the necessary action against an unroadworthy vehicle wether it has a current MOT or not.
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Re: Early transits with no MOT.

Postby Luke » Wed Oct 04, 2017 6:41 pm

i think this will end up with all modified historics loosing there tax exempt status - i think that will be the idea behind it

shame as both mine are modified :roll:
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Re: Early transits with no MOT.

Postby Neil » Wed Oct 04, 2017 6:47 pm

Luke wrote:i think this will end up with all modified historics loosing there tax exempt status - i think that will be the idea behind it

shame as both mine are modified :roll:

you will have to bang a perkins in them :lol: :lol: what if its modified with an engine OLDER than the van ?
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Re: Early transits with no MOT.

Postby DodgeRover » Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:27 pm

No power increase (or a decrease) then that's fine sir.
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Re: Early transits with no MOT.

Postby DougT » Wed Oct 04, 2017 9:52 pm

Having waded through the stuff on here:

https://www.gov.uk/government/consultat ... c-interest

Dodge - This stuff says that you are right in that they are trying to push it for May 2018, but some of the dates seem to have slipped from what is mentioned so I'm just being cautious about if they get it done in time.

It does seem that they have gone out of their way to avoid pushing everything which is not completely original into the "radically altered" category which would be the easy way of then cancelling Historic status for any vehicle that had been altered.

The impact assessment pdf is long winded but the most informative. It also contains an interesting statement:

"To be considered as a VHI (vehicle of Historic interest) a number of components of the vehicle need to be of a design of which would have been fitted to that vehicle at the time of its manufacture."

which could open the argument that as Mk1 Transits were fitted with the Essex V6 by Ford (OK - SVO but it could count !), then that should be the max reference power for the 15% calculation (which is actually power/weight ratio rather than just power - affects the hod rods more than Transits). It depends how it is eventually worded in terms of model or specific vehicle spec "as built".

Also there are a number of statements along the lines of "despite leaving the EU, we still have to do this as we haven't left yet, and this is the minimum we can get away with" and also "objective being to take as many vehicles out of MOT as possible without creating a safety risk", so the 15% may be there to satisfy people who fear the 400hp & 1000kg jobs.

It is also clear that they do not know what proportion of old vehicles will still require MOT because they have been slightly altered.

There is also a discussion on the emissions which looks as though that will not change (for the moment):

"Exempting cars from MOT testing is expected to have a negligible impact on air quality and CO2 emissions.
Vehicles first used before 1 August 1975 are subject to a visual test rather than a metered test as part of the MOT. The vast majority of newly-exempt vehicles are therefore currently subject only to a visual test." and "A relatively small number of cars fail their MOT tests for failure to meet emissions standards, as opposed to mechanical failures. For 1960 to 1977 the failure rate is 1.7% (DVSA)."

And personally, I will have mine MOT'd anyway.

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Re: Early transits with no MOT.

Postby Neil » Thu Oct 05, 2017 7:17 am

so will I,,,, the whole thing is a complete load of baloney don't know who thinks these ideas up,, I wonder where your insurance company would be if someone hit you head on at night with 1 headlight flickering 4 bald tyres and no brakes
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