Ford Transit 2007 2.4TDI Intermittgent Problem

[NoMoreVitos]

Hi, a Newbie here, Hi to the membership, I have a 2007 Transit 2.4 TDI and it occasionally (particularly in heavy and slow moving traffic) stops responding to the throttle. it comes back but the symptoms are you can put your foot down to the floor but nothing happens, it accelerates very slowly, after a while and it could be from a few seconds to a few minutes it comes back with no light on the dash to say its got a problem? I did a computer read at Ford and they said they did not find anything but that it was a typical problem with them and they said it was the High Pressure Fuel Pump. I have had all kins of pain from a Mercedes Vito which I will never again own, you could not give me one of them (expletive Mercedes up the you know what) Has anyone had a problem like this that can give me some direction, I have replaced the Throttle pedal, and I am looking at the Electronic Turbo Actuator next, could I be on the right track?

Graeme Power

[ake]

Get PRV and scv on fuel pump checked before turbo.

[NoMoreVitos]

Hi, thanks for the info, is the problem I described something you could expect from the pressure relief valve, I can see how erratic pressure could send the ecu nuts but would a light come on or not? The scv is suction control valve, right? now last question, if I buy these items and it does not repair the fault are they equipment that comes with a replacement Fuel Pump?

Graeme

[loot]

Someone who Is good with ids should be able to tell you what the problem is, i would also go with scv fault, also if you have electronic turbo actuator then you must have a 130/140ps engine yes? In which case you can also do a turbo test and also a throttle pedal test, i would think the new valves and tests should do the trick but i have never come across a dead pedal with these faults so it could be anything related to wiring etc.
I have read that a dead pedal could be the pcm protecting the engine from something.
When you say there is no response tho do you mean it is as if you aren't touching the pedal or just that it is painfully slow in building the revs up? What happens when you have this problem but you press the clutch and Rev it?

[NoMoreVitos]

I will do a couple more tests paying more attention when I do them and get back to you. It could take a few days till I drive it long enough to put it into fault. I seem to attract these problem vans.
Graeme

[NoMoreVitos]

Hi from Australia again, I finally drove it far enough to get the fault but it came in again today, Now, whilst driving the response to throttle started to get very sluggish, keeping my speed very low and sluggish, then I lost most all throttle control, I slipped it into neutral and flattened the pedal and held it down it went slowly to 1500rpm I did it a second time and it went to 2500rpm and the third time it started responding correctly, I drove another couple of K's and it started going sluggish again with poor throttle control, I turned off the motor and waited a minute and started it again but it was still not responding well to throttle, I does not do this much on the open road, it mostly does it when in traffic and stop starting, it will often be driving OK but when I lift my foot from the throttle and push it back down again that is when I most often loose control of the throttle and it goes what I call soft. I have replaced the pedal control without a result. Any Clue as to what i should be looking at?

Graeme

[ake]

Hi from Australia again, I finally drove it far enough to get the fault but it came in again today, Now, whilst driving the response to throttle started to get very sluggish, keeping my speed very low and sluggish, then I lost most all throttle control, I slipped it into neutral and flattened the pedal and held it down it went slowly to 1500rpm I did it a second time and it went to 2500rpm and the third time it started responding correctly, I drove another couple of K's and it started going sluggish again with poor throttle control, I turned off the motor and waited a minute and started it again but it was still not responding well to throttle, I does not do this much on the open road, it mostly does it when in traffic and stop starting, it will often be driving OK but when I lift my foot from the throttle and push it back down again that is when I most often loose control of the throttle and it goes what I call soft. I have replaced the pedal control without a result. Any Clue as to what i should be looking at?

Graeme

Have you had pressure relief valve and suction valve checked yet?

[NoMoreVitos]

If these require checking I would probably be better served to buy the parts and just fit them to see what happens. It costs more here in Australia to have a Diagnostics done on a Vehicle than it costs to see a Medical Specialist and I am not joking about this. A diagnostics will cost around $250.00, An M.D. Secialist $120.00, the parts around $150.00 from eBay, its cheaper to keep replacing parts till you find the problem than to get it looked at, they wont even guarantee to fix the problem, they just go fishing for the fault with my wallet and no guarantees! That's Ford, Mercedes, Holden etc, all the same. Sorry about the venting online, I have just had a gut full of Dealers. I cant find what I would call an honest repairer In Sydney Australia who will look at it, diagnose the fault and then fix it without having to go back multiple times with the same fault. Oh God, please give me a simple engine again that has only two warning lights (Oil pressure and Radiator Temperature) and no limp home mode. is that too much to ask of the cretins designing cars now. 100 years of designing cars and this is the best they can do? If Brains were Gun Powder, detonation of their brains would not lift their hat.
Graeme Power

[dieselhead123]

..............Oh God, please give me a simple engine again..................
Graeme Power

One here mate;
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TIM

[NoMoreVitos]

Well I finally have a conclusion to report, I was not satisfied with the gloom and doom mechanics, all saying Fuel Pump or Injectors, they never guarantee it will fix the problem and there is no refund on their work, I kept looking for someone who seemed honest and knew what he was talking about, as a mechanic myself (not diesel) I had a good idea when someone was peeing in my pocket and telling me its raining.

I found a mobile Diesel Mechanic who said he could work it out, $100.00 for inspection and diagnosis. Whats a $100.00. Dealers want more for a Diagnostic and you have to leave your car there all day plus drop off and pick up so I said go ahead.

He came, we drove around for 45 minutes and guess what, you guessed it, it would not go into fault with the exception of a bit of hunting at idle. He listened intently to my complaint and thought about it a while and we came back to my home, He then said, I think it is the High pressure relief valve on the Fuel Rail. The further explanation wont serve any purpose, he removed the return line with the motor running and it started pouring out fuel, he said if it surges with variations of idle speed the valve is stuffed but he could not replace it I would have to go to Ford and have a relief valve counter reset and PCM recalibration. He was not equipped for that.

I left the van where it was and decided to book in with Ford the next day. I drove it to the Post office in the morning and it was running perfect, Idle good, No missing anywhere, I have been driving it a week now and I can only guess it had either dirt or air in the line and it is now gone, possibly by removing the line it purged the system of the problem.

Well now I think I know what it was, I have ordered the part and it is going in my glove compartment as a Just in case thing, I want to be sure so I will drive it for a few months to see if the problem returns.

From a Maximum of $4200.00 quote for repair by Ford Plus a diagnostics scan, down to $100.00 and its done, plus $130.00 for a precautionary part soon to reside in my glove compartment. This is the rip off that is modern electronics on Cars. You can fit the stuff but you do not seem to be able to diagnose accurately to a specific component a fault, it is a crap shoot with the customers wallet as bank unless you find an old school honest mechanic with street smarts that can just listen and diagnose. Like the old days when your DCOE Webber, Delorto or Amal Carb went on the fritz, some guys could just listen and say this is your problem. Ok so here is a possible quick fix you can do yourself.

If your problem is like mine, Rough idle, occasional stalling of engine at idle, occasional loss of throttle control particularly in heavy stop start traffic but hardly ever on the open road, pop the return line from the fuel rail with the engine running, pump a bit of fuel on the road (outside someones place you don't like) watch for surging with idle variation, return the line after about a minute or two, could be the pressure relief valve. Anyone care to chime in?

[loot]

That's all very nice mate but you can buy an ids clone for 100 pounds uk from China which will save you loads of money.
The prv being blown suggests the the imv/scv on the fuel pump is failing so that needs replacing which needs ids to do a pump and injectors learn following replacement of the 2 valves which should fix the problem, routine maintenance tbh

[Jason Richards]

Well I finally have a conclusion to report, I was not satisfied with the gloom and doom mechanics, all saying Fuel Pump or Injectors, they never guarantee it will fix the problem and there is no refund on their work, I kept looking for someone who seemed honest and knew what he was talking about, as a mechanic myself (not diesel) I had a good idea when someone was peeing in my pocket and telling me its raining.

I found a mobile Diesel Mechanic who said he could work it out, $100.00 for inspection and diagnosis. Whats a $100.00. Dealers want more for a Diagnostic and you have to leave your car there all day plus drop off and pick up so I said go ahead.

He came, we drove around for 45 minutes and guess what, you guessed it, it would not go into fault with the exception of a bit of hunting at idle. He listened intently to my complaint and thought about it a while and we came back to my home, He then said, I think it is the High pressure relief valve on the Fuel Rail. The further explanation wont serve any purpose, he removed the return line with the motor running and it started pouring out fuel, he said if it surges with variations of idle speed the valve is stuffed but he could not replace it I would have to go to Ford and have a relief valve counter reset and PCM recalibration. He was not equipped for that.

I left the van where it was and decided to book in with Ford the next day. I drove it to the Post office in the morning and it was running perfect, Idle good, No missing anywhere, I have been driving it a week now and I can only guess it had either dirt or air in the line and it is now gone, possibly by removing the line it purged the system of the problem.

Well now I think I know what it was, I have ordered the part and it is going in my glove compartment as a Just in case thing, I want to be sure so I will drive it for a few months to see if the problem returns.

From a Maximum of $4200.00 quote for repair by Ford Plus a diagnostics scan, down to $100.00 and its done, plus $130.00 for a precautionary part soon to reside in my glove compartment. This is the rip off that is modern electronics on Cars. You can fit the stuff but you do not seem to be able to diagnose accurately to a specific component a fault, it is a crap shoot with the customers wallet as bank unless you find an old school honest mechanic with street smarts that can just listen and diagnose. Like the old days when your DCOE Webber, Delorto or Amal Carb went on the fritz, some guys could just listen and say this is your problem. Ok so here is a possible quick fix you can do yourself.

If your problem is like mine, Rough idle, occasional stalling of engine at idle, occasional loss of throttle control particularly in heavy stop start traffic but hardly ever on the open road, pop the return line from the fuel rail with the engine running, pump a bit of fuel on the road (outside someones place you don't like) watch for surging with idle variation, return the line after about a minute or two, could be the pressure relief valve. Anyone care to chime in?

G'day Graeme

I'd go with the advice suggested by others here, get the SCV and PRV replaced, and fuel system relearn with IDS. I'm doing the same with my 2008 140ps T330 Transit. Same kind of issues as yours but not as bad, hunting at idle and sluggish performance.

You can buy the SCV from United Fuel Injection in Perth WA for $160 plus GST for pickup, or around $210 off Ebay. PRV are best ordered online, trade price from Ford for part number 6C1Q9H321AB is $259.35 + GST. Ford won't sell the SCV separate, they'll sell you a brand new fuel pump for the cost of a couple of kidneys or the like!

[ake]

The fact that there is fuel coming from the pressure relief valve tells you that it's knackered.

[NoMoreVitos]

Thank you to all for the help on this problem, most every comment made was right on the money. I had the SCV and the PRV replaced and the computer adjusted and it is running quite well now.
I have two new problems that have just started up.
1. I need to replace the EGR, the dash light has started coming on. Whilst the computer was being adjusted the tech said It required replacing, can anyone help me with a part number for this item?
2. I was driving the van today, (I had the Master Cylinder Changed a week ago) and I was coming down hill behind a Hyundai Excel and when I applied the brakes (not hard) the pedal felt like it had gone solid and I felt a trumming coming from the pedal, the van was not stopping and I had to veer to the left to avoid colliding, when I lifted my for and applied it again it was all good and I am having no more trouble but what the hell was that? If I was traveling fast believe me I would have been a goner. any suggestions?

[knobby1]

Hi NoMoreVitos,
I'm also in Sydney, (southwest, Campbelltown), and have a 2008 2.4 140 T350 LWB....It's running really well atm.

I have and IDS system so can at least see what your codes are doing and save you a heap of cash getting them read by a dealer..if you're willing to bring your beast to my place we can at least have a look for you...BTW, your EGR valve should be the "non watercooled" unit.

If you have any DTC's concerning the brakes etc...I can at least try and help diagnose the issue for you. How many Km's has your beast done??

Cheers,
Smithy.