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Re: Idiots guide to IDS

Postby Hovervan » Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:05 am

Just want to throw in that no one shall be messing around with chinese VCM II trash anymore, as Forscan is now capable of nearly anything what IDS can do.

So save yourself monies and nerves, get a ELM cable for a tenner and be happy.
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Re: Idiots guide to IDS

Postby loot » Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:14 am

I've got both so I'll have a play with forscan some more and see :-)

Do we know if forscan works with mk8/custom? Will they ever be able to program newer keys?
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Re: what have u done today?

Postby Airthies » Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:07 pm

Well I've had a basic play with foreskin but just ordered a modified elm as my laptop and vcm are in a huff.
Want to do a bit of investigating of why my vcm won't work as I've had it a while now and appears to be "more" genuine than some of the other clones out there. Think it's about 4 years old but paid for itself over an over and over again.

See what happens and will report back after doing some playing


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Re: Idiots guide to IDS

Postby karl » Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:25 pm

Hovervan wrote:Just want to throw in that no one shall be messing around with chinese VCM II trash anymore, as Forscan is now capable of nearly anything what IDS can do.

So save yourself monies and nerves, get a ELM cable for a tenner and be happy.


does it do fuel pump recoding for the mrk 6 ?
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Re: Idiots guide to IDS

Postby davyjcb » Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:04 pm

Yes have done 2
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Re: Idiots guide to IDS

Postby karl » Sat Feb 17, 2018 7:56 pm

davyjcb wrote:Yes have done 2


hi mate does it need in codes etc for doing it ?
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Re: Idiots guide to IDS

Postby davyjcb » Sat Feb 17, 2018 8:36 pm

If you register for an extended license it can perform module programming, pats functions, cal steering angle,dpf regens any incodes required are generated when you perform whatever task you are doing,it will ask if you want forscan to generate code or if you want to use an external code generator so far I have found it easier to do basic stuff on but ids still has the edge for adding extra's on like cruise and snowflake as the engineering menu gives you plain text options to add whereas forscan has to be played with to change parameters.If someone could do a spreadsheet comparing file details before and after pcm/bcmi software changes it would make the need for ids nearly redundant
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Re: Idiots guide to IDS

Postby loot » Sat Feb 17, 2018 8:58 pm

davyjcb wrote:If you register for an extended license it can perform module programming, pats functions, cal steering angle,dpf regens any incodes required are generated when you perform whatever task you are doing,it will ask if you want forscan to generate code or if you want to use an external code generator so far I have found it easier to do basic stuff on but ids still has the edge for adding extra's on like cruise and snowflake as the engineering menu gives you plain text options to add whereas forscan has to be played with to change parameters.If someone could do a spreadsheet comparing file details before and after pcm/bcmi software changes it would make the need for ids nearly redundant

For middle road stuff forscan it's cheaper and easier.

For module initializing and updating I personally think I'd trust ids more. Forscan is a backward engineered program and I brown trousered myself when I did something with it iirc.
It has permissions to send and receive data to modules but I wonder if safety protocols are fool proof?
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Re: Idiots guide to IDS

Postby davyjcb » Sat Feb 17, 2018 9:01 pm

Also,as a footnote it is better to use a laptop on windows operating system forscan is available for android mobile devices and others but doesn't have full functionality on these other platforms some parts of the menu's still have to be added the forscan team seem to be plugging their way through it an they haven't got 1/100th of the resources that ford have yet it works grand if you can navigate your way through it.I'm not very accomplished with it but it works ok so far it does mk6s an mk7s without issue if it moves on an does mk8s an customs without the hookup to fords mainframe it ill be magic we'll just have to wait an see
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Re: Idiots guide to IDS

Postby explorer2013 » Wed Feb 21, 2018 2:28 pm

Tell me please how could I flash the calibration with IDS to my ACM module having a VIN number from another car (younger for 2 years)?
Or how to convince the IDS that on the vehicle communication interface is connected not mine but another car?
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Re: Idiots guide to IDS

Postby wapack213 » Thu Jun 21, 2018 5:08 am

Good Day!

May I know if it's possible to transfer the data files from the old PCM to another new one using IDS?

Thanks in advance.
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Re: Idiots guide to IDS

Postby paul2012 » Wed Oct 24, 2018 2:50 am

No one posting any info about this device for Ford.

Well here it is -Ford VCMM

VCM II, VMM & a vibration analyzer all combined into 1 box :P

vcmm6.jpg


vcmm5.jpg


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vcmm3.jpg


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It's worth noting that Ford IDS will soon be replaced with FDRS (Ford Diagnosis & Repair System) It's a WEB BASED Service & can't be used as a standalone.
Classed as the next generation factory Ford Motor Company vehicle diagnostic Software. Which is no surprise, IDS has been around since 1996.

GFDRS (Global Ford Diagnosis & Repair System) is currently available via Etis.
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Re: Idiots guide to IDS

Postby loot » Wed Oct 24, 2018 10:12 am

The need for ids was worthwhile on the mk7 vehicles to 2012 but with more stringent access to pats and less requirement on the Siemens system I can't see the need.

I have no need to use ids on my custom and i couldn't program keys etc so rarely go on it.

So an occasional home user won't want to spend serious money on it.

And i think forscan can access early euro 5 etc.

Otherwise 80 pounds at the dealer might be cheaper than the time and effort trying to get my own kit.

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Re: Idiots guide to IDS

Postby paul2012 » Thu Nov 22, 2018 6:17 pm

loot wrote:The need for ids was worthwhile on the mk7 vehicles to 2012 but with more stringent access to pats and less requirement on the Siemens system I can't see the need.

I have no need to use ids on my custom and i couldn't program keys etc so rarely go on it.

So an occasional home user won't want to spend serious money on it.

And i think forscan can access early euro 5 etc.

Otherwise 80 pounds at the dealer might be cheaper than the time and effort trying to get my own kit.

:(


You're possibly right there....

Received this email from Ford Today.... :shock:

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Wonder how much Ford will sting me for EU5 Security Accreditation cerificate for independed operators :?:
As it will be required for access to security-related vehicle RMI :!:

On the downside it appears that no one will have access to Etis. Unless they are an Legal Representative or an Employee. Even IO's like myself will have to migrate over as an LR....

It's all down to EU legislation which we have to abide by. :x
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Re: Idiots guide to IDS

Postby loot » Thu Nov 22, 2018 6:43 pm

Seems like back door red tape to me, there used to be a premise that it would be illegal to forcebly deny anyone access to their own vehicle, but rather than saying no you can't, they are saying yes you can but we'll make it too costly and put lots of rings in front of you to jump through that it just won't be worthwhile. :?

Ah well, you can buy Chinese kit to do what you need anyway, just throw the ids away after 2013. :lol:

I'm going to be using mine on a 15 plate custom, mate bought it from a dealer and the next day the engine warning lamp came on :roll:

I suspect that the dealer is just clearing the codes then selling them to unsuspecting customers.
Too many instances of ppl buying them and the lamp coming on virtually straight away.

Brother paid 17.5k cash for his, drove it 8 days and it came up with adblu fault, they've had it a month now and let's just say he's not happy. :(

I did offer him my custom but nooooo he wanted lwb and black (ended up with blue).

Paul you can buy a standalone key programmer for euro 5 models can't you. 8)
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