Running an 03 plate on vegetable oil

[dieselhead123]

Cooking oil isn't good for any diesel engine because it's too think.

What do you think Mr Diesel run his first engines on then? I doubt he went down the Shell garage and purchased five liters of 'Ultimate'

I ran my old escort van on 50/50 oil and diesel and it blew the pump in the end. Didn't like starting in the cold either.

As Tom Cobbles says, the advise on Direct Injection engines is to 'twin tank', using a heat exchanger to pre-heat the veg oil.
The Ford Escort, unlike the Mk6 Transit, had an Indirect Diesel Injection engine, (less suited to running on veg), with no 'lift pump' to overcome the delivery problems associated with more viscous fuel.

Provided fuel quality and viscosity are well enough controlled most common rail diesels can be converted to run on 'alternative fuels', Bosch provide suitable seals and calibration data for this.
Unfortunately for those of you with 'factory' Tdci Mk6's, Ford chose to install the less durable Delphi system. Probably best to keep this on pure DERV.

TIM

[bambi mk 1]

Cooking oil isn't good for any diesel engine because it's too think.

What do you think Mr Diesel run his first engines on then? I doubt he went down the Shell garage and purchased five liters of 'Ultimate'

I ran my old escort van on 50/50 oil and diesel and it blew the pump in the end. Didn't like starting in the cold either.

As Tom Cobbles says, the advise on Direct Injection engines is to 'twin tank', using a heat exchanger to pre-heat the veg oil.
The Ford Escort, unlike the Mk6 Transit, had an Indirect Diesel Injection engine, (less suited to running on veg), with no 'lift pump' to overcome the delivery problems associated with more viscous fuel.

Provided fuel quality and viscosity are well enough controlled most common rail diesels can be converted to run on 'alternative fuels', Bosch provide suitable seals and calibration data for this.
Unfortunately for those of you with 'factory' Tdci Mk6's, Ford chose to install the less durable Delphi system. Probably best to keep this on pure DERV.

TIM

Yes Tim ,Rudolf wasn't just a red nosed reindeer

[Jim Archer]

Herr Diesel originally used 'lamp oil' - basically raw parafin. He used Veg oil - probably Castor based, same as steam plant used - as lube.

It was later that he developed 'diesel' oil as we know it today - 'parafin' is a bit too volatile and can detonate in the proper sense of the word. His aim was a power plant fuel that was safe to carry and use - unlike coal gas injection, and 'petroleum spirit' used in surface vaporiser carbs of the time which had a nasty habit of becoming external combustion engines without much provocation.

Jim

[Tom Cobbles]

I thought the 125ps tdci come out around 2005.

Any way.

Cooking oil isn't good for any diesel engine because it's too think.

I ran my old escort van on 50/50 oil and diesel and it blew the pump in the end. Didn't like starting in the cold either.

As Tom Cobbles says, the advise on Direct Injection engines is to 'twin tank', using a heat exchanger to pre-heat the veg oil.

Provided fuel quality and viscosity are well enough controlled most common rail diesels can be converted to run on 'alternative fuels', Bosch provide suitable seals and calibration data for this.

So are we all saying now that if the viscosity is that of diesel then the injector pump will take it
Hence if we heat the oil up by the method of twin tank then the viscosity will be simular to diesel

it will run for a short while then kill all the electrics on the pump

Still do not see why it would kill the electronics

[Tom Cobbles]

Unfortunately for those of you with 'factory' Tdci Mk6's, Ford chose to install the less durable Delphi system. Probably best to keep this on pure DERV.

How do I find out which kind of engine I have?

[ned]

Unfortunately for those of you with 'factory' Tdci Mk6's, Ford chose to install the less durable Delphi system. Probably best to keep this on pure DERV.

How do I find out which kind of engine I have?

75, 85, 90, 100, 115, 120 Ps 2.0L : Tddi

125ps 2.0L : Tdci

All 2.4L : Tddi,with the exception of the 135ps which is tdci but came later

Or pop the bonnet if there are wires to the injectors its a tdci if there are no wires to the injectors then its a tddi. N

[Tom Cobbles]

Or pop the bonnet if there are wires to the injectors its a tdci if there are no wires to the injectors then its a tddi. N

That is what I first thought originally but just wanted some kind of conformation
Thanks

So it now looks like if the viscosity is correct then the injector pump will take it
Before going down the route of investing in a twin tank system, I am toying with the idea of thinking the oil out to normal diesel thickness using petrol say at 20-25% petrol to 75%-80% oil

What do you think about a petrol blend with this kind of injector pump?
I know petrol can eat and dissolve a lot of plastics and rubbers that diesel can not

[Jim Archer]

Petrol will affect the Veg oil. Mix up a small amount in a glass jar and leave if for a few days to see if it clouds up or separates out.

Jim

[knobby1]

Petrol will affect the Veg oil. Mix up a small amount in a glass jar and leave if for a few days to see if it clouds up or separates out.

Jim

Yeah...Jim's right, the specific gravity of the oil vs petrol may be different enough to cause issues...it may well separate in the tank if left for a few days, the oil may possibly be a bit "lighter" than the oil and you'll then be running on straight petrol as it will be picked up by the pump first, not a good look for a diesel. Probably best not to run a large % of petrol in it.

As Jim says, mix some up in a jar first and see what happens..if it stays mixed and no obvious clumping or separation, you might be good to go.

Lord Knobrot

[Tom Cobbles]

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[ned]

I don't get it.

It seems a lot of time and effort trying different mixes of fuel/oil to get the correct viscosity.
What are you gaining by running on veg oil, what's the financial difference and mpg difference.

I am not being funny or having a dig at anybody just trying to understand it a bit more.. N

[birdie]

Before the transit, I had a Mitsubishi l200, ran it on veg and had no issues in 45000miles, the cost at the time was typically 45-55p a litre cheaper, with the correct twin tank setup it drove a bit smoother and nicer on veg, mpg was the same and it saved a lot of money, these transits however are not worth the risk in my opinion

[karl]

I don't get it.

It seems a lot of time and effort trying different mixes of fuel/oil to get the correct viscosity.
What are you gaining by running on veg oil, what's the financial difference and mpg difference.

I am not being funny or having a dig at anybody just trying to understand it a bit more.. N

mix it with what

just filter it nd put it in the tank even hydraulic oil works even old engine oil but that does need work to make clean enough so you can use it

[JacobsMess]

Did you ever try this out? Sorry to resurrect an old thread, I'm running my 2004 TDDI on Biodiesel atm but would like to try WVO sometime.

[Mad Husky]

I run mine on long runs with half and half and it's fine anymore veg in and it runs but power seems lower, but i have a power problem anyway. 06 2.4 rwd