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Re: Starter motor failure ?

Postby knobby1 » Wed Dec 28, 2016 11:23 pm

Altransit wrote:The relay itself may be fried :idea: Once the fusible link is cut it shouldn't be passing any current. Check the relay bases in the fuse box for heat damage :idea:


That's what I said...I think..! :? :oops: :wink:

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Re: Starter motor failure ?

Postby Altransit » Wed Dec 28, 2016 11:30 pm

knobby1 wrote: That's what I said...I think..! :? :oops: :wink:

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Yes, but you have the advantage that your posts will always appear before mine, since you are further East ........................... it's either that or I just never looked at your post before posting mine :roll: :oops:






:idea: I could just delete your post, and make me look like the clever one :mrgreen: :P :lol: :lol:
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Re: Starter motor failure ?

Postby knobby1 » Thu Dec 29, 2016 12:44 am

Altransit wrote:Yes, but you have the advantage that your posts will always appear before mine, since you are further East ........................... it's either that or I just never looked at your post before posting mine :roll: :oops:

:idea: I could just delete your post, and make me look like the clever one :mrgreen: :P :lol: :lol:


Go on...I dare ya..! :wink: :lol:

Done the same thing many times myself...! Most of the time I'm just full of crap..! :oops: :mrgreen:

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Re: Starter motor failure ?

Postby Retired John » Thu Dec 29, 2016 12:57 am

Does not matter in the scheme of things just good to get advise or confirmation sometimes :D It seems the Transit was bomb proof for the first 200,000km but since then it is more timebomb sad as it seems it might be time to say goodbye but as a mate said a complete mechanical rebuild would be under 25K and to upgrade to a new motorhome is 130K ,Although the mechanicals seem fine just the electric side is p###ing me off
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Re: Starter motor failure ?

Postby Retired John » Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:08 pm

Ok just to update those who have helped The fusible link has been restored now runs a real fuse :wink: seems I in my uneducated chase for a solution swapped the stuffed glow plug relay with the ignition one and this is when the fusible link went up , the glow plugs were the initial problem as they have a dead short hence the drain when trying to start :oops: the rest is history re doing the starter was a complete waste of money and effort :evil: so now it is glow plug renewal time because we have a trip on to Canberra during winter :oops:
A side issue is because I refitted the stuffed GP relay into the ignition spot this meant no indicators wipers or A/C it also effected the fueling system because it was smoking like a coal fired power plant once the new relay was replaced and the GP one left out the fusible link no longer arced up and everything worked 8)
I have ordered a new set of glowplugs also a set of inlet manifold rings and an EGR gasket anything further I need ? I have been told the GP can be a bitch to remove and it is a softly softly job or it will end in tears ? and to top it off the solenoid on the starter has fried so that whole issue is away again :oops:
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Re: Starter motor failure ?

Postby ned » Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:17 pm

I have no glow plugs running in my van due to the 'it will end in tears' (1 snapped in the head) so I believe lots of wd40 or your equivalent and getting the engine warmed up before starting the job helps. N
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Re: Starter motor failure ?

Postby Retired John » Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:45 pm

nedforceone wrote:I have no glow plugs running in my van due to the 'it will end in tears' (1 snapped in the head) so I believe lots of wd40 or your equivalent and getting the engine warmed up before starting the job helps. N

Thanks for the tip have heard this
2 questions how hard is it to start when cold ? coldest we are likely to experience is 0-3deg
Why not do as a mate tells me he did he had 2 that would not budge so isolated then so they were off grid so to speak and the other 2 still work which seems to make him happy ?
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Re: Starter motor failure ?

Postby ned » Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:54 pm

Retired John wrote:
nedforceone wrote:I have no glow plugs running in my van due to the 'it will end in tears' (1 snapped in the head) so I believe lots of wd40 or your equivalent and getting the engine warmed up before starting the job helps. N

Thanks for the tip have heard this
2 questions how hard is it to start when cold ? coldest we are likely to experience is 0-3deg
Why not do as a mate tells me he did he had 2 that would not budge so isolated then so they were off grid so to speak and the other 2 still work which seems to make him happy ?


The vans been starting great with temperature down to 1, it was -2.5 and frozen the other day and it needed abit of easy start to fire up, I only have trouble due to the low fuel rail pressure which will be fixed this year.

I have ran the van without glow plugs for the last 3 years, I could run on 3 glow plugs and isolate no1 cylinder might try that :D N
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Re: Starter motor failure ?

Postby Retired John » Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:01 pm

Ok thanks for that I might get a can of easy start ,
different name here it is
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I have the bit's ordered but thats ok they will not deteriorate as an eg: my Transit man charged me $180 aud or 109gbp including post how does that compare to UK
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Re: Starter motor failure ?

Postby ned » Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:08 pm

That's an expensive can of start ya barsteward :lol: Think I paid £80 for 4 glow plugs what's that about 120 aus, so what you've been charged is quite reasonable considering the price for some parts in your sunnier climate. N
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Re: Starter motor failure ?

Postby Retired John » Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:15 pm

nedforceone wrote:That's an expensive can of start ya barsteward :lol: Think I paid £80 for 4 glow plugs what's that about 120 aus, so what you've been charged is quite reasonable considering the price for some parts in your sunnier climate. N

Glow plugs were KLG and $26 each the inlet gaskets $5 each so $40 I was quoted more for 1 at Ford than 8 at Mick Miles http://www.fordtransitparts.com.au/
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Re: Starter motor failure ?

Postby ned » Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:42 pm

Retired John wrote:
nedforceone wrote:That's an expensive can of start ya barsteward :lol: Think I paid £80 for 4 glow plugs what's that about 120 aus, so what you've been charged is quite reasonable considering the price for some parts in your sunnier climate. N

Glow plugs were KLG and $26 each the inlet gaskets $5 each so $40 I was quoted more for 1 at Ford than 8 at Mick Miles http://www.fordtransitparts.com.au/


I have to get the inlet gaskets for mine along with everything else on the to do list, timing chain kit, service kit, brakes, wheel bearing, injectors, fuel pump the list goes on, it would be cheaper to buy a new van but I love my van even though it is a tdci and wants to kill me :lol: N
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Re: Starter motor failure ?

Postby karl » Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:47 pm

nedforceone wrote:
Retired John wrote:
nedforceone wrote:That's an expensive can of start ya barsteward :lol: Think I paid £80 for 4 glow plugs what's that about 120 aus, so what you've been charged is quite reasonable considering the price for some parts in your sunnier climate. N

Glow plugs were KLG and $26 each the inlet gaskets $5 each so $40 I was quoted more for 1 at Ford than 8 at Mick Miles http://www.fordtransitparts.com.au/


I have to get the inlet gaskets for mine along with everything else on the to do list, timing chain kit, service kit, brakes, wheel bearing, injectors, fuel pump the list goes on, it would be cheaper to buy a new van but I love my van even though it is a tdci and wants to kill me :lol: N


@n you should be making money :D
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Re: Starter motor failure ?

Postby ned » Mon Jan 30, 2017 11:01 pm

karl wrote:
nedforceone wrote:
I have to get the inlet gaskets for mine along with everything else on the to do list, timing chain kit, service kit, brakes, wheel bearing, injectors, fuel pump the list goes on, it would be cheaper to buy a new van but I love my van even though it is a tdci and wants to kill me :lol: N


@n you should be making money :D


Its been a quiet start to the year, that said its the first year I have a tax bill to pay :roll: everybody wants invoices these days :wink: N
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Re: Starter motor failure ?

Postby Retired John » Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:31 am

This thing is driving me crazy the auto elec who did all the tests and sorted everything said the starter is US or to be exact the solenoid was so being a brand new Bosch unit I contacted the supplier and they said remove it and we will send it away to be tested for warranty ( 3 weeks old ) removed it , getting good at it now :lol: , took it to the auto elec shop for a bench test all good would not fail :oops: in the car sometimes yes sometimes no even with direct current sometimes no :twisted: Oh well it is off to the supplier who will send it away for testing and/or exchange got me beat :evil:
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