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Whats this thingy please.

Postby Stumped » Sat Jun 03, 2017 3:43 pm

Hi all, new to the forum and to transits in general.

I would have searched the forum for this first but have no idea where to begin with it. What is this cylindrical metal thing (badly circled in pink) and the pipe that leads out of it (badly circled in blue)?

The other red arrow was already on the pic and is supposedly where you put an EGR blanking plate.

Where I have drawn my arrow in blue I have a piece of pipe leading out of this which has been cut off about 5cm from this and is just completely exposed and tipping out exhaust fume into the engine bay and cab knocking me sick.

Where should this pipe have gone before being hacked and left?

Thanks in advance for any help with this. Marcus
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Re: Whats this thingy please.

Postby v8dave » Sat Jun 03, 2017 4:22 pm

The item you marked in red is the exhaust gas cooler for the exhaust gas recirculation system.
The item you marked in blue is one of the water connections to the cooler.

If exhaust gases are coming out of the blue pipe then your cooler has failed and needs replacing.

The original pipe from the stub marked in blue would have gone to the heater.
There would originally have been a second water connection in to the egr cooler from the oil filter housing and oil cooler, it is behind the egr valve in the image you've posted.
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Re: Whats this thingy please.

Postby Stumped » Sat Jun 03, 2017 4:34 pm

v8dave wrote:The item you marked in red is the exhaust gas cooler for the exhaust gas recirculation system.
The item you marked in blue is one of the water connections to the cooler.

If exhaust gases are coming out of the blue pipe then your cooler has failed and needs replacing.

The original pipe from the stub marked in blue would have gone to the heater.
There would originally have been a second water connection in to the egr cooler from the oil filter housing and oil cooler, it is behind the egr valve in the image you've posted.


Ah cheers Dave for the swift response. Looks like someone before me has bodged it for some reason and just left it. I will get onto researching all the info you've given me. Thanks again. Marcus
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Re: Whats this thingy please.

Postby Stumped » Sat Jun 03, 2017 4:42 pm

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v8dave wrote:The item you marked in red is the exhaust gas cooler for the exhaust gas recirculation system.
The item you marked in blue is one of the water connections to the cooler.

If exhaust gases are coming out of the blue pipe then your cooler has failed and needs replacing.

The original pipe from the stub marked in blue would have gone to the heater.
There would originally have been a second water connection in to the egr cooler from the oil filter housing and oil cooler, it is behind the egr valve in the image you've posted.


Ah cheers Dave for the swift response. Looks like someone before me has bodged it for some reason and just left it. I will get onto researching all the info you've given me. Thanks again. Marcus


Hi again, if i was to blank off the EGR could I do away with the exhaust gas cooler and all associated bits or does it not work like that?

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Re: Whats this thingy please.

Postby v8dave » Sat Jun 03, 2017 4:58 pm

Assuming the picture you used is representative and this is a mk7 then the egr has to be disabled in the engine control software.
Once that is done you could remove the hardware.
However the blanking plates on ebay seem to be designed to fit at the egr valve, you would need to blank the connection between the exhaust manifold and the cooler with your own design of plate.
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Re: Whats this thingy please.

Postby Stumped » Sat Jun 03, 2017 5:30 pm

v8dave wrote:Assuming the picture you used is representative and this is a mk7 then the egr has to be disabled in the engine control software.
Once that is done you could remove the hardware.
However the blanking plates on <a href="http://ebay.co.uk" class="skimwords-link" target="_blank" data-skimwords-id="874161" data-skimlinks-editor="0" data-skimwords-word="ebay" data-group-id="0" data-skim-creative="300001" data-skim-product="874161" title="" occurrence="1" data-skim-node-id="194:Howevertheblankingpl_2" style="">ebay</a><span style="position: absolute;"></span><span style="position: absolute;"></span> seem to be designed to fit at the egr valve, you would need to blank the connection between the exhaust manifold and the cooler with your own design of plate.


Cheers for the info Dave much appreciated, will get on to that asap as its busting my chops having to deal with monoxide poisoning on a daily basis. Marcus
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Re: Whats this thingy please.

Postby motorman116 » Sun Jun 04, 2017 8:38 am

The Egr cooler pipe splits internally and leaks exhaust gases into the cooling system / pressurizes the cooling system, this is why people bypass them.....
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Re: Whats this thingy please.

Postby motorman116 » Sun Jun 04, 2017 8:44 am

v8dave wrote:Assuming the picture you used is representative and this is a mk7 then the egr has to be disabled in the engine control software.


That looks like the 3.2 200ps 5 pot lump :?:
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Re: Whats this thingy please.

Postby Stumped » Sun Jun 04, 2017 3:44 pm

motorman116 wrote:
v8dave wrote:Assuming the picture you used is representative and this is a mk7 then the egr has to be disabled in the engine control software.


That looks like the 3.2 200ps 5 pot lump :?:


Hi Motorman, yeah this is just a photo I found on google and used as it was the only one with the cylindrical bit showing. Mine is actually a 2.4 100ps RWD 2007 (a slightly knackered edition!)

motorman116 wrote:The Egr cooler pipe splits internally and leaks exhaust gases into the cooling system / pressurizes the cooling system, this is why people bypass them.....


This is what must have happened to mine then and they've either made a homemade way of bypassing it and its now blown off or the previous owner has just cut it and left it and tried to chance it. Either way, Ive ordered the blanking kit that goes between the manifold and the cooler and between the EGR and the cooler (not that I suppose that matters much if the Manifold it blanked)

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Re: Whats this thingy please.

Postby Stumped » Tue Jun 06, 2017 11:02 pm

Hi all. Another day, another bodge from the top drawer.

The blanking plate for the joint between the EGR cooler and the exhaust manifold arrived today. I have the tools to crack on with the job but how do I go about reaching the join to unscrew the bolts. I did a quick search and some say remove gear box and some say tackle it from the right hand side where the actual EGR valve is. Does anyone with any experience and has actually tackled this job have hints/tips/tricks etc. I really don't think I can take a gear box off.

My van is 07 2.4 100ps RWD.

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Re: Whats this thingy please.

Postby knobby1 » Wed Jun 07, 2017 4:17 am

The EGR cooler does run across the back of the engine and is indeed a pig to get at....there's two bolts at either end of the cooler and you'll need to get at them from either side or underneath. There's also a bracket holding the EGR cooler assy to the back of the cyl head...a real ball-ache to get at.

If trying to get at it from underneath, you may need to remove the starter to get access to the passenger side bolts. If they're badly corroded, I don't like your chances without removing the gearbox to get decent access. Good luck...you're gunna need it.

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Re: Whats this thingy please.

Postby Stumped » Thu Jun 08, 2017 7:18 pm

knobby1 wrote:The EGR cooler does run across the back of the engine and is indeed a pig to get at....there's two bolts at either end of the cooler and you'll need to get at them from either side or underneath. There's also a bracket holding the EGR cooler assy to the back of the cyl head...a real ball-ache to get at.

If trying to get at it from underneath, you may need to remove the starter to get access to the passenger side bolts. If they're badly corroded, I don't like your chances without removing the gearbox to get decent access. Good luck...you're gunna need it.

Lord Knobrot


Cheers mate, I did the deed today and managed to take off the EGR cooler completely and blanked it off with a thick plate. The bolt nearest to the bulkhead was an absolute beggar as you said it would be, it started rounding off but after about 4 hours I got it haha.

Anyway, my final question on this particular topic is… I took the cooler of so now the EGR valve is sat by itself, I have a blanking plate for this also. Should I fit it as well or will it not matter in the grand scheme of things with no exhaust gasses going to it? I didn't know whether leaving it completely open would be detrimental in some way. I haven't used the van yet and thought Id ask the question first as not to blow anything up.

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Re: Whats this thingy please.

Postby v8dave » Thu Jun 08, 2017 7:42 pm

Fit the blanking plate to the egr or you will have a leak on the inlet system.

You'll also need to get the egr deleted in the engine software, otherwise you'll have the engine warning light on.
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Re: Whats this thingy please.

Postby Stumped » Thu Jun 08, 2017 7:54 pm

v8dave wrote:Fit the blanking plate to the egr or you will have a leak on the inlet system.

You'll also need to get the egr deleted in the engine software, otherwise you'll have the engine warning light on.


Nice one for the quick reply Dave. I will fit the EGR blank tomorrow, as for the engine software delete, where and how is this achieved? Is it a case of taking it to official Ford?

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Re: Whats this thingy please.

Postby v8dave » Thu Jun 08, 2017 8:32 pm

No, ford will not do the egr delete.

You need the services of an independent specialist.

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