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Re: NEW MOT RULES REGARDING DPF, E/C SYSTEMS, ENGINE MIL LIG

Postby ned » Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:21 pm

karl wrote:
paul2012 wrote:
karl wrote:in reality the thing they are targeting is new ones, lets say from 2012 on wards :D



More like vehicles 1st used from 2001 onwards :wink:


well how does mine pass ever time then no engine light, not black or blue smoke :roll:

also i have been behind a few tesco deliver vans that smoke all the time. " well they re iveco " :lol:

anyway i do know the hauliers are getting it

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Yours passes every year because its not may 2018 yet :wink: N
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Re: NEW MOT RULES REGARDING DPF, E/C SYSTEMS, ENGINE MIL LIG

Postby karl » Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:27 pm

your wrong ned

the more pollution it gives out. the more road tax i will have to pay :roll:
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Re: NEW MOT RULES REGARDING DPF, E/C SYSTEMS, ENGINE MIL LIG

Postby motorman116 » Sun Feb 11, 2018 10:14 am

karl wrote:your wrong ned

the more pollution it gives out. the more road tax i will have to pay :roll:



:shock: Just count yourself luck that they don't do tests on our backsides, Im sure that we would all fail or be paying high band tax rate :lol:
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Re: NEW MOT RULES REGARDING DPF, E/C SYSTEMS, ENGINE MIL LIG

Postby gavcarter » Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:57 pm

I'm almost positive that the EGR on a mk6 doesnt open during an mot smoke test.
it would be open if the revs are held at 2500rpm BUT the machine read the exhaust at idle and when they do the three quick revs. During which your EGR wouldnt open anyway....

I have no EGR at all, and no cat. My emission where 3.05m last year iirc.
This was a pass.
This year it would be a fail but only barely, a clean filter would get it a pass I reckon....
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Re: NEW MOT RULES REGARDING DPF, E/C SYSTEMS, ENGINE MIL LIG

Postby loot » Sun Feb 25, 2018 10:55 am

It'll be mainly for new vehicles that have more stringent emission/systems.

Stinky old mk6 will be a case of making sure it all looks present and correct and emissions pass. Mk6 are being phased out since they are getting old and slowly rotting away.

Mk7 can be easily checked but the proposals seem to be a bit invasive compared to all the mot tests/procedures up until now which weren't overly invasive.

Dvsa flexing their muscles no doubt.

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Re: NEW MOT RULES REGARDING DPF, E/C SYSTEMS, ENGINE MIL LIG

Postby bulls in transit » Sun Feb 25, 2018 11:31 am

That’s why there going to release PHEVS,new emmisions,Diesels the enemy,Ford and EU,by 2020. Tis all bo@@cks,no fossil fuel,no wars,how could the world economy handle that...


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Re: NEW MOT RULES REGARDING DPF, E/C SYSTEMS, ENGINE MIL LIG

Postby adam75pl » Sun Feb 25, 2018 1:39 pm

I hear that Custom PHEV may cost circa £35k
I have Mk7 2.2 touched by vantuner, 2010 with 171k on the clock. I work in London so as of April I will be forced to pay the T-Charge. May make a move to much smaller Outlander 4Work PHEV, with only 500kg payload...
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Re: NEW MOT RULES REGARDING DPF, E/C SYSTEMS, ENGINE MIL LIG

Postby paul2012 » Sun Feb 25, 2018 9:01 pm

gavcarter wrote:I'm almost positive that the EGR on a mk6 doesnt open during an mot smoke test.
it would be open if the revs are held at 2500rpm BUT the machine read the exhaust at idle and when they do the three quick revs. During which your EGR wouldnt open anyway....

I have no EGR at all, and no cat. My emission where 3.05m last year iirc.
This was a pass.
This year it would be a fail but only barely, a clean filter would get it a pass I reckon....


EGR valves are open when engine is at idle or when slowing down. Under acceleration they're closed :wink:

Unfortunately you have to refit EGR valve & DIesel oxidation cat for MOT as from May 20th 2018 both are classed as part of emission control systems & visually inspected to see if missing, Modified or obviously defective

Also emissions (Smoke Test) will be tested against MANUFACTUERES LIMIT. Which is listed on your mk6's vin label. It will be substantially lower than the old default limit of 3.0

My van (2003) under old smoke test, default limit would be 3.0.
Under new MOT rules to be tested against manufacturers limit. ON that limit is 1.32 - That's lower than old default limit (1.5) for diesel vehicles 1st used from 2008 onwards. :shock:
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Re: NEW MOT RULES REGARDING DPF, E/C SYSTEMS, ENGINE MIL LIG

Postby Jim Archer » Mon Feb 26, 2018 4:25 pm

EGR will introduce exhaust into the inlet all the time the exhaust pressure is above that of the inlet.

It will only operate when conditions leading to high NOx emissions arise, these being at low RPM and high cylinder pressures i.e. when you give it a footfull just off idle. It's one of the reasons Mk6 and on don't have the same low down grunt of the turbo DIs, the fuel is limited or introduced over a wider timeframe (Pulse Width Modulation - several little squirts) to reduce NOx formation, and if boost is high enough is allowed to bleed off into the exhaust to aid completion of un/part burnt reactions.

As Paul says, it also opens at higher revs when the 'throttle' is shut to bleed off inlet manifold pressure, which stops compressor stalling and excess inlet pressure messing with the fueling mapping. Factory fitted dump valve :wink: It also means they can get away with slightly richer pick-up fueling as you get back on the gas after shutting off then getting back on the gas as the exhaust is filled with a slug of fresh air that can react the soot, and so the exhaust flow increases quicker, spools the turbo faster, and so boost comes back up more rapidly. You also get a nice charge of Oxygen passed through the toasty hot Cat and DPF as fitted, so they stay cleaner and more efficient.

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Re: NEW MOT RULES REGARDING DPF, E/C SYSTEMS, ENGINE MIL LIG

Postby paul2012 » Thu Apr 05, 2018 3:46 am

NEW MOT certificates as from 20 May 2018

MOT Pass

pass.jpg


MOT Pass with Minor Defects

Pass with defects.jpg


MOT Refusal

fail.jpg


If you put your vehicle through it's MOT early & it FAILS.

Any previous MOT left on it. Will be VOID
Drive vehicle away after MOT refusal. You'll could up with up to £2500 fine & 3 penalty points on your licence. :!:

- If you get fined twice within 3 years. You'll get BANNED from driving for 6 MONTHS :shock:
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Re: NEW MOT RULES REGARDING DPF, E/C SYSTEMS, ENGINE MIL LIG

Postby paul2012 » Thu Apr 05, 2018 5:01 am

NEW testable items added to MOT as of 20th May 2018..

Brake fluid contamination
Additional braking device performance
Daytime running lamps
Front fog lamps
Reversing lamps
Bumpers
Prop shafts
All rear drive shafts
Cab security
Cab steps
Floors
Passenger hand grips (quads and heavy trikes only)
Noise suppression material
Undertray security
Emission control equipment:
-Oxygen sensor
-NOx sensor
-Exhaust gas recirculation valve
Other emission control equipment
Engine malfunction indicator lamp
Diesel particulate filter (DPF) tampering
Fluid leaks - engine, transmission and so on


Brakes (section 1) - New failures
Brake lining or pad wear indicator illuminated
Brake lining or pad incorrectly mounted
Brake disc or drum missing
Incorrectly installed brake slack adjuster
Additional braking device insecure or inoperative
Other braking system components damaged or corroded, for example, air dryer, antifreeze pump
Brake fluid contaminated
Air brake reservoir drain device
Anti-lock braking systems (ABS) can’t be removed from a vehicle made on or after 1 January 2010.

Steering (section 2) - New failures
Sector shaft condition
Steering gear fixing holes elongated
Slectronic power steering wiring damaged or corroded
‘fly by wire’ steering systems

Visibility (section 3) - New failures
Excessively tinted glass.

Lamps, reflectors and electrical equipment (section 4) - New failures
Light source and lamp not compatible
Daytime running lamps
Front fog lamps
Reversing lamps
New or changed inspection
New inspection checks
Headlamp washers tested on vehicles first used on or after 1 September 2009
End-outline marker lamps now applies to class 4, 5, and 7

Axles, wheels, tyres and suspension (section 5) - New failures
Tyre obviously under-inflated on tyre pressure monitoring system (TPMS) equipped vehicles post 1 January 2012
Spring missing on vehicles that have been modified to run on the bump stops
Failures previously only applicable to large vehicles now apply to any vehicle
New inspection checks
Strengthening plates and fastenings
Drive shafts (extended to all transmission shafts, including prop shafts)
Drive belts and chains

Body, structure and attachments (section 6) - New failures
Vehicle structure significantly reduced
Fuel tank and exhaust shields missing
Any part of a gas fuel system defective
Bumper security
Spare wheel carrier condition
Towbar safety devices and coupling indicators
Cab security
Floor condition
Seat structure condition
Cab steps
Footrests and handgrips (where fitted)
Body condition now includes:
- Unsafe modifications
- Component security

Other equipment (section 7) - New failures
Seat belt not functioning as intended.

Nuisance (section 8 ) - New failures
Noise suppression material
Exhaust emission control equipment
Induction leaks
Engine malfunction indicator lamp
Evidence that a diesel particulate filter (DPF) has been tampered with
Any visible smoke from a vehicle fitted with a DPF
Fluid leaks - engine coolant and Adblue not included


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Re: NEW MOT RULES REGARDING DPF, E/C SYSTEMS, ENGINE MIL LIG

Postby ned » Thu Apr 05, 2018 8:00 am

paul2012 wrote:NEW MOT certificates as from 20 May 2018

MOT Pass

pass.jpg


MOT Pass with Minor Defects

Pass with defects.jpg


MOT Refusal

fail.jpg


If you put your vehicle through it's MOT early & it FAILS.

Any previous MOT left on it. Will be VOID
Drive vehicle away after MOT refusal. You'll could up with up to £2500 fine & 3 penalty points on your licence[/b]. :!:

- [b]If you get fined twice within 3 years. You'll get BANNED from driving for 6 MONTHS
:shock:


Do you mean drive vehicle anyway or away from the mot station? N
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Re: NEW MOT RULES REGARDING DPF, E/C SYSTEMS, ENGINE MIL LIG

Postby paul2012 » Thu Apr 05, 2018 6:01 pm

ned wrote:
paul2012 wrote:NEW MOT certificates as from 20 May 2018

MOT Pass

pass.jpg


MOT Pass with Minor Defects

Pass with defects.jpg


MOT Refusal

fail.jpg


If you put your vehicle through it's MOT early & it FAILS.

Any previous MOT left on it. Will be VOID
Drive vehicle away after MOT refusal. You'll could up with up to £2500 fine & 3 penalty points on your licence[/b]. :!:

- [b]If you get fined twice within 3 years. You'll get BANNED from driving for 6 MONTHS
:shock:


Do you mean drive vehicle anyway or away from the mot station? N


If vehicle has MOT refusal you can only drive it on the road to a pre-arranged appointment to have defects repaired e.g Garage
You can't drive it to take other half shopping or home. Legally vehicle has NO VALID MOT :!:
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Re: NEW MOT RULES REGARDING DPF, E/C SYSTEMS, ENGINE MIL LIG

Postby gotgcoalman » Sun Apr 08, 2018 9:32 am

Driving Home for me = place of repair.
Are they trying to make you take the vehicle to an "approved" garage for any work required?
Thus taking the DIY mechanic out of the equation.

I also see alot of un needed brake fluid changes in the future.
easy money for the less than honest garages.
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Re: NEW MOT RULES REGARDING DPF, E/C SYSTEMS, ENGINE MIL LIG

Postby bambi mk 1 » Sun Apr 08, 2018 10:43 am

ned wrote:
Do you mean drive vehicle anyway or away from the mot station? N

Drop into Halfrauds on your way to the test with your trade card and get a pair of trade plates Ned .That way you will be covered :P
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