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Re: NEW MOT RULES REGARDING DPF, E/C SYSTEMS, ENGINE MIL LIG

Postby paul2012 » Thu Apr 19, 2018 12:50 pm

bigjohnthomas wrote:
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bigjohnthomas wrote:It's just a fine for no mot btw
No points
So someone told me :oops:


All changes next month

:arrow: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -fine.html

It can also prevent a vehicle that has been MOTed early & failed. Being sold off as "MOTed" with old MOT left to run.
Buyer would not be able to tax the vehicle due to being recorded as FAILED 8)


It's the same then according to that ?
Just a fine for no mot
No points


It says....

"Even though a certificate may run for another couple of months, if a vehicle does not pass the MOT - made tougher by the new rules - motorists will face a fine if caught because the vehicle is recorded as no longer road legal on a national database.
Drivers are being reminded of the dangers, which include a driving ban and points on your licence, ahead of new MOT rules set to be introduced across Britain on May 20."


old rule - although badly written
mot.jpg

Which lead to this
Same here :arrow: http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/c ... lty-points


Put vehicle through MOT early & fails on a tyre. Under new MOT rules a tyre that's below the legal tread depth of 1.6 is listed as a "DANGEROUS" defect. & will state on new MOT Refusal "Do not drive unit repaired"

You then drive away from MOT station..... obviously to get new tyres fitted. 8)
You're essentially driving a vehicle in a dangerous condition.

"You can be fined up to £2,500, be banned from driving and get 3 penalty points for driving a vehicle in a dangerous condition."
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Re: NEW MOT RULES REGARDING DPF, E/C SYSTEMS, ENGINE MIL LIG

Postby bigjohnthomas » Fri Apr 20, 2018 10:32 pm

I see then no points for no MOT but if they don't like you points for a dangerous vehicle ?

Now then now then
Tow bar electrics...do they not test 7 pin ones electrically just 13 pin ones?
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Re: NEW MOT RULES REGARDING DPF, E/C SYSTEMS, ENGINE MIL LIG

Postby ned » Fri Apr 20, 2018 11:07 pm

I can't see the point of putting a vehicle in for a test a month early, if it fails you lose 1 month on the ticket or is it if it fails, gets fixed and passes does the new one start the date the old one expires?.

I'm normally a day or 2 late as i forget :roll: N
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Re: NEW MOT RULES REGARDING DPF, E/C SYSTEMS, ENGINE MIL LIG

Postby ned » Fri Apr 20, 2018 11:13 pm

bigjohnthomas wrote:It's just a fine for no mot btw
No points
So someone told me :oops:


It used to be a 200 sov fine and the Gestapo would get the vehicle taken to a nice garage somewhere that would mot it, fix it and charge you for the said mot and repair and storage fee while it's there :roll: before you could have it back, that's what I've heard on the grape vine :wink: :wink: N
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Re: NEW MOT RULES REGARDING DPF, E/C SYSTEMS, ENGINE MIL LIG

Postby bigjohnthomas » Fri Apr 20, 2018 11:38 pm

Whenever I've been wrongly percecuted for no mot it's never cost me more than 100 turnips

In bribes :wink:
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Re: NEW MOT RULES REGARDING DPF, E/C SYSTEMS, ENGINE MIL LIG

Postby dymondaudio » Sat Apr 21, 2018 8:43 am

If it goes in for MOT today will they be testing it under the current regs or the new ones? i.e technically a vehicle could pass under the current system and get 12 months mot but may fail next month under the new regs?
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Re: NEW MOT RULES REGARDING DPF, E/C SYSTEMS, ENGINE MIL LIG

Postby dumper » Sat Apr 21, 2018 8:53 am

It will be tested on the regs that are inforce on the day of the test and last till the ticket runs out
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Re: NEW MOT RULES REGARDING DPF, E/C SYSTEMS, ENGINE MIL LIG

Postby dymondaudio » Sat Apr 21, 2018 8:57 am

dumper wrote:It will be tested on the regs that are inforce on the day of the test and last till the ticket runs out


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Re: NEW MOT RULES REGARDING DPF, E/C SYSTEMS, ENGINE MIL LIG

Postby ned » Sat Apr 21, 2018 9:13 am

bigjohnthomas wrote:Whenever I've been wrongly percecuted for no mot it's never cost me more than 100 turnips

In bribes :wink:


Ah yes the difference is when a "friend" of mine was stopped he had no paid vehicle excess duty either :wink: N
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Re: NEW MOT RULES REGARDING DPF, E/C SYSTEMS, ENGINE MIL LIG

Postby tibsy » Sat Apr 21, 2018 9:56 am

dumper wrote:It will be tested on the regs that are inforce on the day of the test and last till the ticket runs out


That was the answer i was looking for with my question also! :D
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Re: NEW MOT RULES REGARDING DPF, E/C SYSTEMS, ENGINE MIL LIG

Postby paul2012 » Sat Apr 21, 2018 8:37 pm

dymondaudio wrote:If it goes in for MOT today will they be testing it under the current regs or the new ones? i.e technically a vehicle could pass under the current system and get 12 months mot but may fail next month under the new regs?



If vehicle is put through MOT before May 20th- It will be tested to current MOT rules.

After May 20th tested to NEW rules. :wink:
& yes it could pass under old rules. But fail under NEW rules. :(

For example it just passes diesel smoke test under default limits on old MOT rules.
Then fail on diesel smoke test when tested against manufacturers emission limits on NEW rules
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Re: NEW MOT RULES REGARDING DPF, E/C SYSTEMS, ENGINE MIL LIG

Postby karl » Sat Apr 21, 2018 9:47 pm

paul2012 wrote:
dymondaudio wrote:If it goes in for MOT today will they be testing it under the current regs or the new ones? i.e technically a vehicle could pass under the current system and get 12 months mot but may fail next month under the new regs?



If vehicle is put through MOT before May 20th- It will be tested to current MOT rules.

After May 20th tested to NEW rules. :wink:
& yes it could pass under old rules. But fail under NEW rules. :(

For example it just passes diesel smoke test under default limits on old MOT rules.
Then fail on diesel smoke test when tested against manufacturers emission limits on NEW rules


THIS only applies to commercial vehicles after 2006. so euro 4 on ward are the targets, but now all HGVS have to be smoke tested. and doesn't matter what year it is either :shock:

but yet their is plant out their over 30 years old keeping the economy going. HENCE the making of the new hs 2 etc. but hang on we will send all are polluting diesels to 3rd world countries :shock: :roll:,

and know their is the electric bollocks. its OK we will go to the 3rd would countries, where we can dig and mine a we can :oops: using the old machines we exported :twisted: so us a country get to are targets for low emissions

WHAT A LOAD OF BOLLOCKS this country is f***

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what the f*** have I done . brought my kids to this world for what :(
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Re: NEW MOT RULES REGARDING DPF, E/C SYSTEMS, ENGINE MIL LIG

Postby paul2012 » Sun Apr 22, 2018 2:06 am

Unfortunately Diesel smoke test against manufacturers limits is applicable to all diesel vehicles (Class 3,4,5,6 &7)1st used from 1st January 1980 :shock:
If manufacturers limit is not listed then default limit is used...
We do know that Transit mk6, mk7, mk8 & Custom all have manufacturers emissions limits listed. Transit mk5's (Euro 2) also have them listed too, as another member on here pointed out.

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Also a note to make. - Diesel smoke test "Fast Pass" is being withdrawn & will no longer exist from May 20th.

Just to clear up on the issue of Diesel oxidation CAT's, DPF & EGR valves.....

egr.jpg


Fuel tank / Exhaust heat shields...
More common to be removed when they either fall off or rattle against exhaust or body work.
Hope people still have them handy to refit. :idea:
They too have been added & if missing it's a "Dangerous" defect :!:

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Re: NEW MOT RULES REGARDING DPF, E/C SYSTEMS, ENGINE MIL LIG

Postby tibsy » Sun Apr 22, 2018 5:58 am

Is there a list available to "Joe Public" which details various vehicles and there "limits"?
Wondering what my 2.2 Civic (08 plate) limit is, will have to see if there is a "plate" with that info on.
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Re: NEW MOT RULES REGARDING DPF, E/C SYSTEMS, ENGINE MIL LIG

Postby paul2012 » Sun Apr 22, 2018 2:09 pm

tibsy wrote:Is there a list available to "Joe Public" which details various vehicles and there "limits"?
Wondering what my 2.2 Civic (08 plate) limit is, will have to see if there is a "plate" with that info on.


There is for petrol vehicles as they are tested to manufactures emission limits & have been for a few years now.
(Vehicle emissions database is uploaded to emissions test equipment)

As for diesel vehicles. Manufactures emissions limit is listed on Vin label. (Usually on bottom right corner of label/plate)

Fords from 2000 onwards. Limit is listed just below engine code. - As shown below circled in yellow.

2005 Ford Transit Connect 1.8 TDCI 90ps - Engine code BHPA

2000-2006 connect vin TDCI 90ps.jpg


2003 Ford Transit mk6 2.0 TDDI 100ps - Engine code ABFA

2003 Transit mk6 TDDI 100ps.JPG


2006 Ford Transit mk7 2.4 TDCI 140ps - Engine code H9FB

2006 Transit mk7 2.4 140ps.jpg


DVLA will be creating a database for all diesel vehicle manufacturers emissions limits.
- As they are aware that vin labels can be defaced in an attempt to prevent emissions being tested against manufactures limits....
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