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Mk7 engine euro 5 with system diesel euro 4

Postby Blue_Courier » Mon Feb 26, 2018 2:27 pm

Hi,
good afternoon transit lovers

I need your help. Please Please :oops: :|

I have transit mk7 2.2 TDCI FWD, code PGFA 140hp Euro 4, with original System injection/pump denso, but the engine broke.
I bought a engine mk8 2.2 TDCI FWD, code CVR5 155hp Euro 5, System Injection/pump siemens, with 0km/milles.

Is it possible to install in my mk7, the CVR5 with injection and pump siemens?
Or i have changed to the System injection/pump denso?

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Re: Mk7 engine euro 5 with system diesel euro 4

Postby knobby1 » Mon Feb 26, 2018 7:11 pm

I believe the engines are different....and all the wiring, looms and control modules are different.

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Re: Mk7 engine euro 5 with system diesel euro 4

Postby paul2012 » Tue Feb 27, 2018 3:01 am

knobby1 wrote:I believe the engines are different....and all the wiring, looms and control modules are different.

Lord Knobrot


+1

Yes complete engine bay wiring looms & PCM are required from a Euro 5 mk7. For conversion from Euro 4 (Denso) to Euro 5 (Siemens) engines. :wink:
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Re: Mk7 engine euro 5 with system diesel euro 4

Postby Blue_Courier » Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:48 pm

paul2012 wrote:
knobby1 wrote:I believe the engines are different....and all the wiring, looms and control modules are different.

Lord Knobrot


+1

Yes complete engine bay wiring looms & PCM are required from a Euro 5 mk7. For conversion from Euro 4 (Denso) to Euro 5 (Siemens) engines. :wink:


I understood.
But the engines look's like the same application.
My ideia was, install engine euro 5, put the pump and injectors Denso, installed in the original ecu euro4. It's possible?.

Thanks for the help.
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Re: Mk7 engine euro 5 with system diesel euro 4

Postby knobby1 » Wed Feb 28, 2018 12:32 am

Blue_Courier wrote:
paul2012 wrote:
knobby1 wrote:I believe the engines are different....and all the wiring, looms and control modules are different.

Lord Knobrot


+1

Yes complete engine bay wiring looms & PCM are required from a Euro 5 mk7. For conversion from Euro 4 (Denso) to Euro 5 (Siemens) engines. :wink:


I understood.
But the engines look's like the same application.
My ideia was, install engine euro 5, put the pump and injectors Denso, installed in the original ecu euro4. It's possible?.

Thanks for the help.


I don't believe so, the injectors, hold down clamps & bolts are different. But the Euro-IV Denso injectors, bolts and clamps may fit in the Euro-V head, is the Denso Euro-IV injector spray pattern and piston bowl the same as the Euro-V..?? I just don't know..! :? Don't know about the pump/engine mounting interface, wiring and plumbing/pipes either...never actually had them side by side to compare.

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Re: Mk7 engine euro 5 with system diesel euro 4

Postby paul2012 » Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:56 am

knobby1 wrote:
Blue_Courier wrote:
I understood.
But the engines look's like the same application.
My ideia was, install engine euro 5, put the pump and injectors Denso, installed in the original ecu euro4. It's possible?.

Thanks for the help.


I don't believe so, the injectors, hold down clamps & bolts are different. But the Euro-IV Denso injectors, bolts and clamps may fit in the Euro-V head, is the Denso Euro-IV injector spray pattern and piston bowl the same as the Euro-V..?? I just don't know..! :? Don't know about the pump/engine mounting interface, wiring and plumbing/pipes either...never actually had them side by side to compare.

Lord Knobrot


Engine my look similar. Although it is different.

For example Euro 4 engine (2.2 FWD) - Denso fuel pump is secured ito place with 2 bolts.

Euro4 pump.jpg


On Euro 5 engines (2.2 FWD) - Siemens (Continental) fuel pumps have a different bolt pattern & secured into place with 3 bolts.

euro5 pump.jpg


Differences in both pumps are easily identifiable.

Only option is to convert from Euro 4 to Euro 5.
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Re: Mk7 engine euro 5 with system diesel euro 4

Postby knobby1 » Wed Feb 28, 2018 2:02 am

Drive coupling is different too...does the camshaft accept both..?? Doesn't look like it.

Looks like they're not interchangeable at all given the pump mounting etc... :?

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Re: Mk7 engine euro 5 with system diesel euro 4

Postby Blue_Courier » Wed Feb 28, 2018 10:35 am

paul2012 wrote:
knobby1 wrote:
Blue_Courier wrote:

I understood.
But the engines look's like the same application.
My ideia was, install engine euro 5, put the pump and injectors Denso, installed in the original ecu euro4. It's possible?.

Thanks for the help.


I don't believe so, the injectors, hold down clamps & bolts are different. But the Euro-IV Denso injectors, bolts and clamps may fit in the Euro-V head, is the Denso Euro-IV injector spray pattern and piston bowl the same as the Euro-V..?? I just don't know..! :? Don't know about the pump/engine mounting interface, wiring and plumbing/pipes either...never actually had them side by side to compare.

Lord Knobrot


Engine my look similar. Although it is different.

For example Euro 4 engine (2.2 FWD) - Denso fuel pump is secured ito place with 2 bolts.

Euro4 pump.jpg


On Euro 5 engines (2.2 FWD) - Siemens (Continental) fuel pumps have a different bolt pattern & secured into place with 3 bolts.

euro5 pump.jpg


Differences in both pumps are easily identifiable.

Only option is to convert from Euro 4 to Euro 5.


Thanks for you post paul,

The programacion and the process controller of pump denso and siemens it's different, i understood this.

But the pump's have one plate for mount in the head of cylinder
See the pictures in this site, it's pictures of a euro 4 engine. I'm Correct?

https://www.ebay.com/p/2010-Ford-TRANSI ... 0005.m1851

It's a euro 4 to
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Uberholt-Motor ... Ex&vxp=mtr

And these 5 euro photos look the same application points
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FORD-TRANSIT ... 2304998266

:cry: :cry:

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Re: Mk7 engine euro 5 with system diesel euro 4

Postby Blue_Courier » Wed Feb 28, 2018 10:41 am

knobby1 wrote:Drive coupling is different too...does the camshaft accept both..?? Doesn't look like it.

Looks like they're not interchangeable at all given the pump mounting etc... :?

Lord Knobrot

Thanks your post

my previous post shows photos and the application of the bombs seems the same
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Re: Mk7 engine euro 5 with system diesel euro 4

Postby knobby1 » Wed Feb 28, 2018 7:35 pm

Had a look at the parts catalogue and the cams are the same part number, there appears to be a drive "adapter" and mount adapter which can be changed to suit either.

Euro-V

http://www.catcar.info/ford/?lang=en&l= ... EzMw%3D%3D

Euro-IV

http://www.catcar.info/ford/?lang=en&l= ... EzMw%3D%3D

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Re: Mk7 engine euro 5 with system diesel euro 4

Postby paul2012 » Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:37 pm

knobby1 wrote:Had a look at the parts catalogue and the cams are the same part number, there appears to be a drive "adapter" and mount adapter which can be changed to suit either.

Euro-V

http://www.catcar.info/ford/?lang=en&l= ... EzMw%3D%3D

Euro-IV

http://www.catcar.info/ford/?lang=en&l= ... EzMw%3D%3D

Lord Knobrot


It's a housing, although more like a spacer. Euro 5 Shown below

euri1.jpg


There are several difference. Pistons, Exhaust camshaft, cylinder head..

Here you can physically see the difference.

Euro 4 head
p8fa.jpg


Euro 5 head
Euro5 2.2.jpg
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Re: Mk7 engine euro 5 with system diesel euro 4

Postby paul2012 » Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:43 pm

Also Siemens injectors Euro 5 won't fit Euro 4 engines. It's very easy to spot :wink:

Euro 4 Denso

IMG_1656.JPG


IMG_1658.JPG



Euro 5 Siemens

head1.jpg


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Re: Mk7 engine euro 5 with system diesel euro 4

Postby knobby1 » Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:57 pm

Well wouldn't that tear the crotch out of your nightgown..! :wink:

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Re: Mk7 engine euro 5 with system diesel euro 4

Postby Blue_Courier » Tue Mar 20, 2018 12:41 pm

Ok.

Thanks for your post's


I have see that picture

Was a Mk7 of 2013, version Euro 5

i'm correct?

Image

See the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yg-lLnKW_Cc

Paul2012 you know the electrical wiring diagram of this version of transit?

http://www.highamroadgarage.co.uk/used- ... v19471858/
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Re: Mk7 engine euro 5 with system diesel euro 4

Postby paul2012 » Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:44 pm

Blue_Courier wrote:Ok.

Thanks for your post's


I have see that picture

Was a Mk7 of 2013, version Euro 5

i'm correct?

Image

See the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yg-lLnKW_Cc

Paul2012 you know the electrical wiring diagram of this version of transit?

http://www.highamroadgarage.co.uk/used- ... v19471858/


Yes. That's a mk7 with Euro 5 engine & yes I know wiring 8)

If you wish to fit a Euro 5 engine as a replacement for Euro 4.
You'll require wiring looms together with PCM etc to run Euro 5 engine. All MUST be from a Euro 5 mk7
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