Help/ Sanity check for engine change Mk6 135ps to 140ps

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So,

i bought a ford transit with a dead engine.
Its a 2006 Single cab, with dual rear wheels, 6 speed manual and 2.4 TDCI 135 engine. with 90,000kms

I had a complete 2.4 TDCI from a 2008 Land rover Defender. with 20,000kms

Great i thought, pull out old engine, pop in new engine.

Then i realised with it out, the VJ 2006 transit 2.4 TDCI has the H9FA with Delphi injection and a vacuum operated turbo. and the VM 2007+/Transit has the H9FB with Bosch injection and Electronic turbo.

No matter, i'll strip both down to long blocks, put all of the Delphi VJ electronics including injectors into the H9FB motor.

Nope injectors dont fit.

Okay, lets put the whole H9FB in and just work it out.

Brand new dual mass flywheel, and done, its all in, except for the exhaust down pipe off the turbo, which i can sort, all is great.

----- So at the moment ive stalled and its been sitting for 3 years and im trying to determine what to do.
Now comes the electric side of things.

I bought a VM haynes manual and VJ haynes manual, studied the wiring diagrams. but they are crap.

The engine has a small fuse box, which ive put next to the large fuse box from the car in the engine bay.
I can get it to crank, but it cranks say three times and then stops.

So my head starts spinning at this point, because im not disengaging the engine immobilizer, so that has to be causing a problem.
I have the VJ pedal in place not the VM accelerator pedal, but id assume it would start but just not rev, so i doubt thats causing a problem yet.

So i feel like my options are.
-Sell it off.
-Try to find a 135 Mk6 transit that has been rolled and put a whole engine in it and sell the H9FB engine i have. (I've been trying this but it seems hard in Australia)
- Get a whole VM Dash wiring harness and pedal, and retro fit it into the VJ.
- Get the immobilizer switched off by a tuner in the ecu, to see if i can get past that problem.

Happy to just chat about it all...

[knobby1]

So you have a Mk6 135ps TDCi and want to fit a Mk7 140ps TDCi engine into the Mk6..??

I'm afraid they're completely different electrically and fuel system wise....even the basic engine is different and not really interchangeable. The H9FB engine has a Denso injection system, not Bosch. I believe the throttle pedals are the same.

You'll need the complete engine and dash looms plus clocks and PCM module from the donor vehicle, to go with the complete engine from the Mk7, and that's just to get the engine to talk to the module.....to get those modules to talk to all the other systems, BCM, ABS etc, you'll probably be better off just buying a Mk7 to start with..
Unfortunately the Mk7 runs a Canbus system, the Mk6 does not, and they don't talk to each other.

Some clever chaps have done the conversion but it ain't easy.

Lord Knobrot

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Yes I have a Mk6.
Motor is out of a 2008 Land Rover Defender. I have the complete donor Defender.

I knew nothing of Ford transits when I bought it, buying it as I had a 2.4 TDCI, in the defender I made the assumption they would be the same.

Later learning the engine codes and that the H9FA and H9FB run different injections systems.

I thought maybe, as it’s from the defender it would be much simpler and I could possibly just get the immobiliser turned off sort the wiring and yeah, as an example the defender donor car doesn’t have ABS.

Motor is physically in the transit and cranks.

[knobby1]

Motor is physically in the transit and cranks.

Unless you have "All" the donor vehicle electronics/modules in the Mk6, she'll never run I'm afraid.

Lord Knobrot

[ake]

You need keys, wiring looms, engine ecu, probably bcm and lots of hours to put it all together

[Airthies]

I've heard of some landrover guys putting in the 3.2 from a ranger and but using a modified ECU/PCM to run the engine in paralel/independently of the vehicle systems, but not entirely sure of info.

Also heard of a raspberry pie being used to overcome some systems but don't think it'd be capable of doing what you need.
Do you have the ECU from the landrover?

As mentioned above probably the simplest way would be to upgrade to a complete mk7 system from a broken van.
Or try a good programmer who knows there way round a remap that can program out everything on the body side and just keep engine management for new engine and remap old ecu to run van without engine.

Anything's possible

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Thanks guys.

I've pulled the motor back out.

It only took a day, so wasn't that bad, bit depressing looking at it with the front end stripped off and no motor.

Looking around for a complete H9FA at the moment and i'll sell off the H9FB.

I was trying to make the H9FB work because it has 20,000kms (the vehicle has 90,000kms).... the only H9FA forsale at the moment has 500,000kms.

oh well, onwards and upwards, something decent will come up.

[Airthies]

What about just rebuilding yr original?

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[knobby1]

What about just rebuilding yr original? Sent from my anu5 using crapatalk

Agree...probably your best option.

Lord Knobrot