Custom steels on a mk7

[Steve192]

Hello, could someone tell me wether the standard flat wheel nuts on a mk7 are suitable to use with a set of custom/mk8 Transit steel wheels?

If not,

Are the custom/mk8 chamfered nuts the same thread?

Or could someone please find me a set and post the link?

Cheers

[Altransit]

Custom wheels need a tapered nut, and the Custom tapered nuts can't be used on the Mk7 as they have a different thread pitch

You need M14 x 2mm tapered nuts, but not the closed ended ones for alloys, they need to be open both ends for steel wheels

[Steve192]

Custom wheels need a tapered nut, and the Custom tapered nuts can't be used on the Mk7 as they have a different thread pitch

You need M14 x 2mm tapered nuts, but not the closed ended ones for alloys, they need to be open both ends for steel wheels

Top man. Cheers for that info pal

[ANDY.T]

? Would these work????

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/pk-of-2-TAPE ... 4902.l9144

[ANDY.T]

Hi, I have two simple questions. Can anyone help please...

What is the reason why the MK7 alloy (tapered) wheel nuts cant be used on MK8 steel wheels? or am I missing something again

I've seen MK7's on here that have MK8 steel wheels fitted... can anyone please tell me what FORD/Ebay etc.. part number/link for the wheel nuts used is ?

[loot]

Custom thread is m14 x 1.5 and transit is m14 x 2
Iirc

[ned]

Alloy wheels are thicker then steel wheels so if you use the closed end alloy wheel nuts they might not tighten up enough on the wheel.

[ANDY.T]

I've got a set of steel 15" wheels from a MK8 custom and they are thinner, obviously, than the MK7 alloys.

The MK7 alloys need tapered wheel nuts so if I can find a set of open ended tapered wheel nuts for the MK7 they should work on the MK8 steel wheels.

Here is one of my MK7 steel wheels and flat wheel nut on the stud.

small mk7 nut.jpg

You can see the end of the stud just out of the end of the 30mm nut by about 3mm.

Here is one of the MK8 steel wheel nuts from the set of MK8 wheels I got recently.

small mk8.jpg

You can see that it is also about 30mm long but the tapered end will stick into the wheel by about 3mm. But these wont fit the MK7 studs anyway.

Here are the MK7 alloy wheel studs that fit the MK7 wheel studs and they are tapered, so should fit the MK8 wheels.

MK7 alloy wheel nut.jpg

mk7 alloy wheel nut dims.jpg

So what I need is a tapered M14 x 2mm open ended nut about the same size as the MK8 steel wheel nut shown above.

The MK7 alloy wheel nuts although tapered have closed ends and may or may not actually do up tight enough before the MK7 stud hits the inner top closed end.

Also the face of the MK8 steel wheel that sits against the flat face of the wheel hub is raised into a cone shape around the stud hole slightly for the tapered end of the wheel nut to sit in.
This should mean that there is less length of stud projecting out from the outside face of the MK8 wheel on a MK7 hub so less stud length for the nut to wind onto.

I suppose I just need to take a wheel off the MK7 van and try one of the MK8 wheels and see how much stud sticks out.

I wonder why no one has made a suitable tapered washer to sit in raised MK8 stud hole for a flat face MK7 wheel nut to tighten up on. ?

Would these work?

taperd wheel nut washers.jpg

[ANDY.T]

Just found these:

open end m14 x 2.0.jpg

open end wheel nuts.jpg

So at least these would fit..now just need an open ended locking wheel nut to match

[_Andy]

Just found these:

open end m14 x 2.0.jpg

open end wheel nuts.jpg

So at least these would fit..now just need an open ended locking wheel nut to match

Those are exactly the same nuts I bought to put a set of Mk8 custom steels on my Mk7, I'm waiting on tyres at the moment but they look like they should do the trick. Regarding locking wheel nuts I found these that look ok, may just stick with non-lockers though, not sure there is a big market for stolen transit wheels?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/4-x-M14-x-2- ... rk:14:pf:0

[ANDY.T]

Hi _Andy,

Just found these... https://offer.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll

T7 nuts.jpg

They are for both Alloy AND Steel M14 2.0 and should be long enough.


I have just come back from my usual tyre fitters and they say new rules are they they are not allowed to take off the almost new tyres from the Transit Custom wheels I got to re fit to my Transit MK7 wheels or even take tyres off the Transit Customs wheels so I can spray them and then fit back on the newly sprayed wheels later !!!!!!!!!!

They also said that the smaller chromed 60deg nuts in my previous post wern't strong enough for fitting the steel Transit Custom wheels to my MK7 !

I said that they were OK for the correct FORD load bearing alloy wheels for my MK7 Transit but they said not for the steels as they had to be torqued up to 200Nm's... but that's exactly the same as the MK7 steel or alloy wheels as stated by FORD as 200Nms !

I know they cant sell second hand tyres now but I didn't know they couldn't take off and re fit my own tyres?

I think they either cant be bothered with the job of just taking off the tyres and and then re fitting and balancing the newly painted wheels and just want me to buy brand new tyres from them.

So sod them. The local custom car mod shop who are going to blast and re coat the Transit Custom wheels can also take off and re fit the tyres so I'll give them the job instead.

I'll post up photos as and when I get the work done..

[Altransit]

I know they cant sell second hand tyres now but I didn't know they couldn't take off and re fit my own tyres?

I think they either cant be bothered with the job of just taking off the tyres and and then re fitting and balancing the newly painted wheels and just want me to buy brand new tyres from them.

So sod them. The local custom car mod shop who are going to blast and re coat the Transit Custom wheels can also take off and re fit the tyres so I'll give them the job instead.

I'll post up photos as and when I get the work done..

Is it a fact that they can't sell S/Hand tyres
I still pass several places with piles of used tyres outside, and one local guy that I've used for new tyres, also sells them.
Another local guy that I had used several times previously refused to re-fit a tyre, that they had supplied, to a different wheel, as the existing one was leaking air! They lost my future business, and I found a much more agreeable, and even more local, tyre fitter who I've used ever since

[andz327]

I've got a set of steel 15" wheels from a MK8 custom and they are thinner, obviously, than the MK7 alloys.

The MK7 alloys need tapered wheel nuts so if I can find a set of open ended tapered wheel nuts for the MK7 they should work on the MK8 steel wheels.

Here is one of my MK7 steel wheels and flat wheel nut on the stud.

small mk7 nut.jpg

You can see the end of the stud just out of the end of the 30mm nut by about 3mm.

Here is one of the MK8 steel wheel nuts from the set of MK8 wheels I got recently.

small mk8.jpg

You can see that it is also about 30mm long but the tapered end will stick into the wheel by about 3mm. But these wont fit the MK7 studs anyway.

Here are the MK7 alloy wheel studs that fit the MK7 wheel studs and they are tapered, so should fit the MK8 wheels.

MK7 alloy wheel nut.jpg

mk7 alloy wheel nut dims.jpg

So what I need is a tapered M14 x 2mm open ended nut about the same size as the MK8 steel wheel nut shown above.

The MK7 alloy wheel nuts although tapered have closed ends and may or may not actually do up tight enough before the MK7 stud hits the inner top closed end.

Also the face of the MK8 steel wheel that sits against the flat face of the wheel hub is raised into a cone shape around the stud hole slightly for the tapered end of the wheel nut to sit in.
This should mean that there is less length of stud projecting out from the outside face of the MK8 wheel on a MK7 hub so less stud length for the nut to wind onto.

I suppose I just need to take a wheel off the MK7 van and try one of the MK8 wheels and see how much stud sticks out.

I wonder why no one has made a suitable tapered washer to sit in raised MK8 stud hole for a flat face MK7 wheel nut to tighten up on. ?

Would these work?

taperd wheel nut washers.jpg

I know they cant sell second hand tyres now but I didn't know they couldn't take off and re fit my own tyres?

I think they either cant be bothered with the job of just taking off the tyres and and then re fitting and balancing the newly painted wheels and just want me to buy brand new tyres from them.

So sod them. The local custom car mod shop who are going to blast and re coat the Transit Custom wheels can also take off and re fit the tyres so I'll give them the job instead.

I'll post up photos as and when I get the work done..

Is it a fact that they can't sell S/Hand tyres
I still pass several places with piles of used tyres outside, and one local guy that I've used for new tyres, also sells them.
Another local guy that I had used several times previously refused to re-fit a tyre, that they had supplied, to a different wheel, as the existing one was leaking air! They lost my future business, and I found a much more agreeable, and even more local, tyre fitter who I've used ever since

No they can still sell part worn but there's more rules and regulations the tyre boys need to adhere to, i buy them all the time in Glasgow

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[ANDY.T]

Well the Custom 16" wheels are on the MK7 with 16x65x215. It's a bit slower on acceleration but makes 2nd gear much better.

Only prob as the set I got was from a new Custom that then had alloys fitted and the original wheel I got had almost new tyres, some b'stard scroat tried to have them away last night and broke one of the locking wheel nuts..so it now turns both ways without doing up or undoing Grrrrrrr......

Probably took an interest in the new wheel nuts and not re fitting the wheel covers.... My garage says they have a new "tool" for removing broken locking nuts and it's in for a service anyway next week... at least who ever it was didnt get away with the wheels...

The wheel huts do look long but the only other option was a set of very short ones that look far too small. But the ones I went for were advertised as suitable for both alloy and steel wheels and were the only 60deg champhered ones I could find.

So here it is... A MK7 with properly fitted Transit Custom steel wheels. The wheels cost £120 with 8mm as new tyres... wheel nuts and lockers were £26.

[ANDY.T]

Cus on MK7.jpg

L and S.jpg

Been on for 100+ miles, wheel nuts still at 200Nm...

T7 nuts.jpg

sorry had to delete the other photos in previous posts to give enough room for any new ones

Only issue now is getting a set of LONG 60Deg chamfered open ended locking wheel nuts so I dont have to use the 60Deg chamfered washers with flat face open ended wheel nut lock nuts..

So I now need to find M14, 2.0 thread locking wheel nuts that will take 200Nm torque : OR
find out what the internal thread is for the MK7 Transit wheel hub studs are and then get a set of wheel nut hub studs that will have an inner end that fits the MK7 transit hub and the sticky out end that fits the Transit Custom wheel nuts.!