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Postby FredTransit » Thu Feb 09, 2006 8:28 pm

joelataxi wrote:don't know fred, my brother in Germany runs on rapeseed when he's over there, he doesn't like bio as he had pump seal problems on another motor (deutz), not certain that was the cause, but he now avoids it.

he brought his tranny over here for christmas on rape, then just filled it with morrison veg oil while he was here.
1 drawback my bin was full to overflowing :lol: (40p litre)

he uses rape/veg or whatever he can get hold of in his bus, runs fine and thats done 600,000 K


Asda's cheapo oil is pure rapeseed, it's the thinnest veg oil. What type of pump is this?
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Postby joelataxi » Thu Feb 09, 2006 8:30 pm

if you mean tranny pump fred it's a bosch
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Postby FredTransit » Thu Feb 09, 2006 8:36 pm

Yup, Joe, I did mean tranny injection. So there you have it chaps, somebody who runs on 100% veg oil, all be it a relative of a member. What's the position with fuel tax in Germany, is it a slap on the wrists or OK by the German customs and excies? I realise German society is generally greener and more environmentally aware than in the UK.
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Postby cossy tranny » Thu Feb 09, 2006 8:38 pm

stick so the rud stuff its cheep enough runs fine on all diesel trannys !!!!!!!! :D
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Postby cossy tranny » Thu Feb 09, 2006 8:39 pm

ment red
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Postby FredTransit » Thu Feb 09, 2006 8:40 pm

Naughty, naughty cossy! The Ford Transit Forum does not of course encourage such illegal activity! :wink:
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Postby cossy tranny » Thu Feb 09, 2006 8:42 pm

off road use of course !!!!!!!!!!! :wink:
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Postby FredTransit » Thu Feb 09, 2006 8:45 pm

cossy tranny wrote:off road use of course !!!!!!!!!!! :wink:


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Postby cossy tranny » Thu Feb 09, 2006 8:46 pm

just got 700 fine thts why am goin 24v cossy on gas


now thats what am talkin aboot :D
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Postby joelataxi » Thu Feb 09, 2006 8:49 pm

FredTransit wrote:Yup, Joe, I did mean tranny injection. So there you have it chaps, somebody who runs on 100% veg oil, all be it a relative of a member. What's the position with fuel tax in Germany, is it a slap on the wrists or OK by the German customs and excies? I realise German society is generally greener and more environmentally aware than in the UK.


i don't know what the duty situation is in Germany, i'm sure he doesn't pay any, but.....................
i'll call him and find out.

yes they are greener, thats why bio hasn't taken off in a big way here, mr Blair n Co won't subsidise, and charge the same duty rate as (edit is bio) diesel.

red, yes you could but...................you're not allowed to

parrafin/kero,yes you could but.......you're not allowed to
(plus you need a little engine oil in with it if you're running straight)
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Postby joelataxi » Thu Feb 09, 2006 8:51 pm

cossy tranny wrote:just got 700 fine thts why am goin 24v cossy on gas


now thats what am talkin aboot :D


VOSA cossy??

we had spot checks today, we usually have 48hrs notice with the council, VOSA notice?...we'll follow you there now!
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Postby cossy tranny » Thu Feb 09, 2006 8:52 pm

i ran kerro and a small bit of oil once on a 250 ml trip ma van don 10 mph faster flat out !!!
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Postby stivh » Fri Feb 10, 2006 1:50 am

Seems this thread is still running so without the risk of putting down something the taxman might want to follow up as we all want to pay our taxes don't we (not)!!!?

What's the average cost of veg oil around the country and what is the best according to those that we have met using the stuff.

I have been told Makro do a 20 litre tin of Chefs Choice Pure Veg Oil at £12.99.

Is this any good as a fuel as that compares well with 92p a litre (average)for regular diesel up here in Manchester.
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Postby DOL » Fri Feb 10, 2006 5:49 am

IVE JUST STARTED RUNNING MY TRANNY ON VEG OIL @ A MIXTURE RATE OF 60%DIESEL 40% VEG OIL AND SO FAR SO GOOD,ITS LESS SMOKEY,MORE POWER,QUICKER.ONLY DONE 70 MILES THIS WEEK ON IT,
MY MATE RECKONS ITS NOT ILLEGAL IF YOU PAY THE 27p A LITRE TAX WHICH MAKES AROUND 69p A LITRE WHICH MAKES IT 20-25p A LITRE CHEAPER THAN DIESEL SO IT SAVES YOU AROUND 5POUND 67p EVERY TIME YOU FILL UP BASED ON DIESEL BEING 90p A LITRE WHICH EQUATES TO 270 QUID EVERY 48 WEEKS(THATS IF YOU FIIL UP EVERY WEEK)4 WEEKS OFF FOR HOLS ETC ETC
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Postby joelataxi » Fri Feb 10, 2006 12:38 pm

S.V.O duty......thats right daffodil, actually 27.1p, you send monthly declarations to customs & excise telling 'em how much veg you've used the previous month, you'll have to register with 'em first so they can set up a payment account, not sure but you may be able to get the form online, otherwise phone and say what you need, i think it's a form 103, but they'll know.

Biodiesel...... as i siad in an earlier post bio is refined to be thinner, it's the addative (methanol or similar) that can cause seal problems,not the actual veg oil.

the methanol only has a bad reaction with natural rubber, so in my eyes as i don't have a clue what motor uses synthetic or natural rubber seals/pipes it's safer stick to straight veg.

S.V.O. (straight veg oil) just to clear this up when, people say they run on straight veg oil it doesn't mean 100% veg oil ie....... no diesel added.

it's the term used to differentiate between between bio diesel and veg oil

there are plenty of people running on veg oil and most use between 50% -75% veg mixed with diesel, with no need for conversions/adjustments.
some folks also use 2 tanks, one veg, one diesel and use the 100% veg tank to run and the diesel tank on start up (engine can hunt in first few minutes when started on veg from cold)

smoke n smell............. does smoke a little on start up (white not black)
but ok when running
doesn't "stink lika a chippy" actually a cross between fresh cut grass and a hot motor on Castrol R :D

p.s. i think the topic is in the wrong place
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