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(rant?) It's so sad that Ford is trying to kill itself...

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(rant?) It's so sad that Ford is trying to kill itself...

Postby huns » Sat Sep 09, 2017 7:33 pm

Here are a few things that makes me very sad, and a few solutions/tips that might help you out!

- The engines. They are getting downsized to hell. I own a 2.2L Transit, and it's already way too weak compared to my previous MK7. I mean I would not ever dare to put ANY kind of box on this engine, or make it into a camper van, or anything that requires engine power. There is none. With 1.3T loaded, it's a constant struggle.
And that's the 2.2L without adblue. The new 2.0L? Every person and reviewer is crying that it's way too weak.
Solution: If you want to carry people or weight, get a Mercedes V6, Renault has 2.3L, Hyundai H250 has 2.4L engines. Just look around. I would go with the Hyundai, but the base model is pretty base. Point is, if you need to haul weight, stay away from Ford. As much as I love driving comfort, technology and the entire thing in general, this is an honest and good advice. With that said, don't spend too much on a new van. I brought my MK7 to a Diesel Specialist, they service the entire country. The dealers take engines to them to get them fixed. He shown me ALL brands (Ford, Mercedes, Renault, Peugeot, really everything), and there were blown engines, bad engines, but they were almost all brand new. tl;dr: All modern vans suck. But if you have a weak van and try to haul load, you are going to have a bad day. Oh, and I was in a Renault service, and they fix Ducatos. DO NOT BUY A NEW DUCATO. It's literally paint. With no metal. Not even as much as our vans have. I also drove a Movano, it has zero power. None, nada, nil. So that's my two own experiences.

- Frustrating things like how the Transit Connect refuses to heat up. WHY. It's such a basic need, such a basic thing, and yet they just release the car like that. Mind boggling. Solution: Get an aftermarket seat warmer. It's scientifically proven that when the temperature drops in your nose (i.e.: your body temp drops), you can catch a flu or something much easier and faster. So it's not the cold that gets you - which we knew a long time ago - but it's the cold that gets you. Bottom line. Get a seat warmer.

- The build quality. OH MY GOD. I took apart my MK7, then the MK8 Transit. Then the Connect 1.6L, and now the Tourneo 1.5L.
When I first saw the MK8, I was shocked how horribly built it is. How plastic it is. I mean I never had luxury cars, but come on, it's just cheap.
I said that until I opened the 1.6L Connect. Holy hell. The engine bay, the wiring, the entire front part... Jesus Christ. I wanted to cry.
And last I had to take my 1.5L Tourneo apart. It's like a horror movie. Seriously. The engine. Good luck replacing the oil filter and replacing oil. They made it so it's almost impossible to reach the housing, and if you take it apart, ALL the components will be drowning in oil. GREAT ENGINEERING, FORD! But hey, that's not all. Took apart my dash today to install a dashcam. Every small trim, every piece, every connection is "one time only". If something goes wrong, good luck fixing something. It took me long hours to take apart things without causing any damage. Now imagine giving your van to some 20-year-old "Ford Technician" who will use a metal pry tool and literally break everything he touches. I know they don't get any training, nor time. But yeah, infuriating. On my old Suzuki sh.tbox, you could tear down the dash, it would come off, and then you could just pop it back without any damage.
But what really took the prize today is how they attach the trim (the insides) to the base. They use these metal clips ( I will attach pics tomorrow ), and the metal clips basically go into the metal base which is painted. I mean, METAL ON METAL. When they install it in the factory it already scrapes off paint, but of course, every time you take things apart, it will eat another chunk off. It's crazy. :oops:

- Build quality #2. On my Tourneo (and maybe the new 1.5L Connect as well), they replaced the wheel fender covers with metal. Now you would say "good, metal > plastic", oh you just wait.
As you remember, Ford uses these plastic bags for insulation. And boy, do they love soaking up water?! So when I took apart my Tourneo, turns out it's full of this soaking wet bags and basically it's full of water there at the cover AND OF COURSE ITS METAL. So, enjoy your rust, Mr. Customer! Solution? Take out the bags. Some MK8 owners already did this.

- Build quality #3. If you thought your MK8 is badly built, wait for a new 2.0L one. My Tourneo has huge gaps between plastics and whatnot. One day we went to shop, and the missus said "look this piece sticks out". She pushed it and it popped back in. AND I WISH I WAS MAKING THIS UP. Since there are huge gaps, there is really no solution to this. The plastic/build quality is just this bad.

- Cheap / no recalls: The MAF filter on the MK8 is broken. They should be all recalled / inspected. Instead owners experience random limp modes, random check engine messages, and of cousre in the end, a constant LIMP + sticky ECU error - which all result in a visit to Ford and a MAF replacement. WHY. It's an issue. It exists and affects almost every MK8.

- The paint. Oh my god the paint. I had two "Frozen White" vans (connect + transit) and paper boxes scraped off paint. Flies, rock chips, everything. I mean they are both were new (few months old) and already had paint coming off. When I got my new Tourneo, I instantly took it and got it wrapped. Solution: If you buy a new Ford vehicle WRAP IT UP! It's gonna cost ya, but trust me, your paint will thank you! A braindead 'tard forgot his parking break, hit my new Tourneo and thanks to the wrap, it didn't scrape the paint off.

- Aftermarket things. I ordered both my own specced vehicle (Connect) and "on stock" ones (Transit + Tourneo). The specced vehicle also missed a few things like top rails, so I went to the dealers with all. Turns out, the things you see like "tow bar", "alarm", they are NOT Ford ones.
For example.
- Rail on the paper: 150gbp. But once you want to install it AFTER you bought the car/van, it's 500gbp. "It's the factory build price", so to say.
- The alarm they wanted to give me was some cheap local alarm that I could buy and install for 1/10th the price they quoted me. So if you buy your vehicle without factory alarm, you will not be able to add a factory one.

Words can hardly describe my feelings. I mean I consider the price of a Ford vehicle quite mid-range, i.e.: not cheap. And I also love my cars, I care about them. So when I see these cheap cuts they made at the factory, and the horrible job they did, It makes me want to cry. It makes me want to sell my cars and vans right now because it's just THAT BAD.

And you know what's the most maddening part in all this?
Ford has the technology. The driving experience. The comfort. Everything. If they only kept the proper engines and proper build quality, they would be the best-of-the-best on the market. I don't know why they don't want to. It's beyond me.
Last edited by huns on Sat Sep 09, 2017 7:41 pm, edited 2 times in total.
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Re: (rant?) It's so sad that Ford is trying to kill itself..

Postby bigjohnthomas » Sat Sep 09, 2017 7:36 pm

Lolzzzzz :lol:
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Re: (rant?) It's so sad that Ford is trying to kill itself..

Postby huns » Sat Sep 09, 2017 7:40 pm

Welp, that is ONE big fat tl;dr I just cooked up. But yeah, I included good tips in the bold, so it's worth checking out (I hope).
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- Tourneo Connect LWB 1.5D 120bhp - Titanium - Cam: Lukas WK-7950 Dual
- Mondeo MK4 2.2D 235bhp stage1 - Titanium - Cam: Viofo A119 cfw | 70mai Dash Cam Pro
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Re: (rant?) It's so sad that Ford is trying to kill itself..

Postby yzr750 » Sat Sep 09, 2017 10:56 pm

Engines are getting smaller due to emissions regulations, nothing any manufacturer can do about it. have you tried the new 2.0? It really is a lot better than the old 2.2.
Considering how bad they are you certainly seem to buy enough of em, fool me once.............
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Re: (rant?) It's so sad that Ford is trying to kill itself..

Postby ake » Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:28 am

Someone has far to much time on their hands.

Go and play with some Vivaros/ Trafics then tell me what you think of Transits.

Our sister company has 8 15 plate Trafics, everyone has come home on a lorry, one of them is on its third turbo.

The Transits almost always make it home then selves
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Re: (rant?) It's so sad that Ford is trying to kill itself..

Postby coonak » Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:48 am

There all the same 10 year life span, throw away buy another. Happy days.
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Re: (rant?) It's so sad that Ford is trying to kill itself..

Postby stevo » Sun Sep 10, 2017 6:01 pm

Buy a merc V6? Yeah right and when it goes wrong I'll remortgage my house to pay for it.
Many of the mk5 faithful said the mk6 was sh*t and wouldn't last but engine wise they've been just as reliable as the 2.5 di and with better mpg and smoothness.
I'm not a big fan of the mk7 because of the amount of electronics on them but I know one day if I want to stick with Transit's I'll have to buy a newer van and it'll be a mk7.
There's no way on earth I'd ever buy a Renault, Peugeot, Citroen or Mercedes.


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Re: (rant?) It's so sad that Ford is trying to kill itself..

Postby huns » Sun Sep 10, 2017 8:08 pm

@Coonak: Wish they would last 10 years... :lol:

My recommendation was only due to engine size/displacement/power. The MK8 > all when it comes to anything else. The load bay, electronics, comfort, it takes it all.
But yeah, buying an MK7 is indeed wise. We had (and have) 0% interest loans in my country, and you could only buy new ones. If you can get a 2.2L MK8, get that one of course. If you can't, look at other brands.

> Merc price
I know it's expensive, but I also sat in the strongest MK7 bus and it was sooo weak and struggled sooo much. Recently had the chance of trying out a Merc V6 carrier, holy mackerels. It's bonkers. Price wise, you can get repair packages. I mean it's not that worse than Ford really. Base price is indeed more but the repairs? You get repair "packages" and the dealers actually fix the vehicles. So it's not that bad IMO.

Few more points on this:
1) Ford: I took my fleet all over the country and I could not find a SINGLE dealership that could fix issues. None. Nada, nil. There is an independent service now, and I am looking at Austrian services too, but yeah, not a good experience.
2) Ford: Had a broken MAF sensor. Took my van to Ford. They told me if I want to get it fixed under warranty, I have to leave it there for days. BUT IF I PAY RIGHT OUT OF MY POCKET, IT'S DONE IN FIVE MINUTES. Wish I was kidding. And of course, I wish I recorded the conversation.
3) Merc: Just as Ford you have fleet, personal/individual, promotional discounts altogether. So the final price comes quite close. Not talking about a fully specced out or Brabus van here of course. And I also recommended other brands. As much as people seem to dislike Peugeot or Renault here (and I hate the interior), we have customers who drove 155k+ miles on them (new models) and had no issues. The diesel specialist's rule still stands. All new engines are bad. But still, those numbers are impressive. My MK7 barely made it to 125k, started developing issues at 100k, then entered full money pit at 120k or so.
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- Tourneo Connect LWB 1.5D 120bhp - Titanium - Cam: Lukas WK-7950 Dual
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Re: (rant?) It's so sad that Ford is trying to kill itself..

Postby mavericktc » Fri Sep 15, 2017 5:10 pm

huns wrote:The new 2.0L? Every person and reviewer is crying that it's way too weak

huns wrote:
My recommendation was only due to engine size/displacement/power.

Strange because the 2.0 has more power/torque everywhere in the powerband compared to the 2.2.
Who told you the new unit is weaker then the 2.2?
It feels and is faster.

I guess your opinion is based on poor knowledge. Downsizing will always be negative for people like you, even if you get more power from the smaller unit.
Long levity? No idea, but not worse then any other van engine probably.

I would not complain about a gas v6 or the old 3.2 in a van but the customer stock isn't probably there in order for ford to think about it.
90% av all van sales are poverty spec.

My van weight in about 2.5 tonnes loaded and sometimes I pull a ~2 tonne trailer.
Sure, in uphills I have to downshift but there is no problem at all maintaining 100 km/h in sex gear.

Power is always nice but the market is what it is.
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Re: (rant?) It's so sad that Ford is trying to kill itself..

Postby Mike » Fri Sep 15, 2017 5:35 pm

Love my 1.5 Connect, makes the 1.6 seem very unrefined, is good on fuel and FVCKME.....it warms up!
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Re: (rant?) It's so sad that Ford is trying to kill itself..

Postby Jim Archer » Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:29 am

Ford and good build quality have never been associated really, they are what they are, cheapish, reliablish transport. In the case of Transits, they give good value for money when all things are considered.

When my Mk7 jumbo blew the top EGR coolant hose the other day, I was quite grateful for the electricks giving me the heads up. Changing it was the cause of much foul language though, I could either see it, or reach it ......

I do quite like the way, it being a 140ps job, it runs into the 70mph limiter halfway down M'way sliproads, in 3rd. I've yet to find a M'way hill that requires a full footfull of throttle. I'd seriously consider a new one if it had the Volvo V8 lump in it.

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Re: (rant?) It's so sad that Ford is trying to kill itself..

Postby vampirequeen » Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:44 am

My husband was talking to a Ford mechanic who was amazed that we had a Y reg Transit that was still working. My husband told him that she was not only still working but passed her last MOT with flying colours. The mechanic said that Ford cut so many corners now that he often writes off vehicles that are only 3 or 4 years old because they would cost so much to repair. What a sad state of affairs.
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Re: (rant?) It's so sad that Ford is trying to kill itself..

Postby ONMBDM » Thu Oct 05, 2017 1:53 pm

I dunno, a lot of manufacturers are downsizing their engines now, I'd imagine for longevity's sake since authorities are clamping down on the big gas guzzlers and the emissions they produce, and with the fuel prices going up they still want to appeal to the everyday people who don't have a whole lot of money to pour into their tank. I guess those are possible explanations for the engine downsizing, but as for the other points, I'm clueless in all honesty.
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