What transit for towing? Budget up to £2500.

[(ROG)]

Nice one, you can drag 2250kilo behind that , even if the van is fully loaded upto 3500 kilo

That should read - IF the van is fully loaded to 3500

Towing weight is not the GTW minus the GVW unless the van is fully laden

If the towing weight isn't Gross Train Weight minus the Gross Vehicle Weight
then how do you work out GTW please ROG?

Cheers,

GTW means the ACTUAL weight of both vehicle and trailer when placed on a weighbridge

WEIGHBRIDGE -
Vehicle weighed on its own must not exceed GVW
Trailer weighed on its own must not exceed MAM
Vehicle and trailer weighed together must not exceed GTW

The only towing weight restriction would be if a manufacturer had placed a maximum towing capacity for the vehicle and that is not usually the case for commercial vans

[mb4ever]

GTW means the ACTUAL weight of both vehicle and trailer when placed on a weighbridge

Where did you get that definition from please ROG?

Cheers,

[(ROG)]

GTW means the ACTUAL weight of both vehicle and trailer when placed on a weighbridge

Where did you get that definition from please ROG?

Cheers,

The law. police traffic and VOSA

[mb4ever]

Thanks ROG.
First time I've heard it put that way.

Cheers,

[(ROG)]

Thanks ROG.
First time I've heard it put that way.

Cheers,

Pity the law writers have not put it in plain English


There is one more reason that definition of GTW is correct ...... cos I say so ........ TAXI!!

[duvet]

GTW may be the actual weight but the actual weight is a variable...... it could be less than the MGTW or more.


MGTW is the maximum gross train weight. I think you meant that the GTW can't exceed the MGTW

[(ROG)]

GTW may be the actual weight but the actual weight is a variable...... it could be less than the MGTW or more.


MGTW is the maximum gross train weight. I think you meant that the GTW can't exceed the MGTW

MGTW and GTW are the same in definition terms - the difference comes when the term GW or Gross Weight is used

[duvet]

then GTW isn't the actual weight of vehicle plus trailer is it?

its the maximum permissable weight and a fixed figure. the actual weight of a van / trailer is a variable dependant on lots of things.

you stated that GTW was the ACTUAL weight which is confusing. is the same term used for 2 things?

[mb4ever]

then GTW isn't the actual weight of vehicle plus trailer is it?

its the maximum permissable weight and a fixed figure. the actual weight of a van / trailer is a variable dependant on lots of things.

you stated that GTW was the ACTUAL weight which is confusing. is the same term used for 2 things?

You are correct, it's very confusing.
It's so confusing that The Police, and the Highways Agency seem confused by it.

I had a long conversation with the HA about their booklet on towing.
In the end they said, well, it's printed, and there's no money to alter it.
So it's still on their website.

http://www.highways.gov.uk/knowledge/do ... ow_res.pdf

As far as Mr Plod is concerned,
he has a data in his book that tells him all the relevant weight for your vehicle.
And he has access to a man with a weighing machine.

If that isn't enough to make your hair curl,
working vehicles that a maximum gross train weight of over 3500kg
must have tachos when they operate above that weight?
But there aren't any tachos to fit most of them.
Some European madness.

However, not to worry,
there's no legal way to tow a car on an A-frame
(unless you are recovering something broken down to the nearest place of repair or summat)
How many motorhomes do you see blythely towing saloon cars during the summer.
Prats don't even seem to realise (or care)
that their cars aren't insured while they tow them.

Fun innit.

Cheers,

[(ROG)]

then GTW isn't the actual weight of vehicle plus trailer is it?

its the maximum permissable weight and a fixed figure. the actual weight of a van / trailer is a variable dependant on lots of things.

you stated that GTW was the ACTUAL weight which is confusing. is the same term used for 2 things?

You are correct, it's very confusing.
It's so confusing that The Police, and the Highways Agency seem confused by it.

I had a long conversation with the HA about their booklet on towing.
In the end they said, well, it's printed, and there's no money to alter it.
So it's still on their website.

http://www.highways.gov.uk/knowledge/do ... ow_res.pdf

As far as Mr Plod is concerned,
he has a data in his book that tells him all the relevant weight for your vehicle.
And he has access to a man with a weighing machine.

If that isn't enough to make your hair curl,
working vehicles that a maximum gross train weight of over 3500kg
must have tachos when they operate above that weight?
But there aren't any tachos to fit most of them.
Some European madness.

However, not to worry,
there's no legal way to tow a car on an A-frame
(unless you are recovering something broken down to the nearest place of repair or summat)
How many motorhomes do you see blythely towing saloon cars during the summer.
Prats don't even seem to realise (or care)
that their cars aren't insured while they tow them.

Fun innit.

Cheers,

I had a long conversation with the HA about their booklet on towing.
In the end they said, well, it's printed, and there's no money to alter it.
So it's still on their website.

http://www.highways.gov.uk/knowledge/do ... ow_res.pdf

Maximum Combination
Weight: The total permissible
weight of the fully laden
tow-car and trailer combined.

Max combination weight is freferring to the total of the MAMs and is a completely different term to GTW but even then they have written it wrong - it misses the word permissable

working vehicles that a maximum gross train weight of over 3500kg
must have tachos when they operate above that weight?
But there aren't any tachos to fit most of them.
Some European madness.

Again, that has been written or copied incorrectly - it was supposed to say a maximum total MAM weight over 3500 kgs

http://www.theaa.com/motoring_advice/ge ... -know.html

Towing on an A-frame

An A-frame or recovery dolly can only be used legally to recover a vehicle which has broken down.

If you tow a car that hasn't broken down using an A-frame or dolly then the law treats the combination as a trailer which must meet the appropriate braking and lighting rules

.

[mb4ever]

Can you tell us how to get a car to conform to trailer regs please ROG

Cheers,

[(ROG)]

Can you tell us how to get a car to conform to trailer regs please ROG

Cheers,

Bit lost on that question .....

Could you expand on what you mean please?

[mb4ever]

Oh dear ROG, I was hoping you could tell me how to convert a motorcar into a trailer.
You aren't going to let me down are you?

If you build a trailer, it has to conform to trailer build regs ROG.

One of those regulations is that a trailer's brakes must carry the relevant approval.

Another regulation is that trailer steering must work in reverse.

Cheers,

[(ROG)]

Oh dear ROG, I was hoping you could tell me how to convert a motorcar into a trailer.

I must be missing the point ..... why would anyone want to convert a car into a trailer?

If you are referring to the A-frame laws where the vehicle being towed must conform to the same rules as a trailer then I fail to see an issue because if the vehicle cannot conform to those rules then it cannot be towed in that way - unless an emergency of course

[mb4ever]

ROG, you just outwiggled Jack Lemon.

Cheers,