SUPERVAN 2 Towing Caravan

[FredTransit]

Names change over time to include way more than they were ever intended to, look at Chav's short for chavvies which to you will mean children? If I remember correctly. The rest of the country doesn't take a chav to mean a child now though even if the people they aim the term at are youngish.
To some extent you have to just cut us other people some slack like as it annoys the hell out of me that a black man is 'allowed' to call a fellow black man the N word but if a white man use the term it is automatically an insult??? even if contextually it is being used correctly (see Rush Hour if you want correct contextual use, but still frowned upon by Chris Rock)

So who are the women that try and sell me heather in the street? Romanys, Gypsies, or Pikeys? *NOTE* this is a Question as I don't know which is the correct term

Can't help you with the Gypsy thisn Mark, but as far as Chavs go (slightly OT sorry) it originated from Chatham in Kent and was shortened to Chat, then somewhere along the line it changed to Chav. That's how I heard it on the radio anyway. Chav is to do with the Burberry embelished ones, not kids as in chavvies.

[MarkM]

Names change over time to include way more than they were ever intended to, look at Chav's short for chavvies which to you will mean children? If I remember correctly. The rest of the country doesn't take a chav to mean a child now though even if the people they aim the term at are youngish.
To some extent you have to just cut us other people some slack like as it annoys the hell out of me that a black man is 'allowed' to call a fellow black man the N word but if a white man use the term it is automatically an insult??? even if contextually it is being used correctly (see Rush Hour if you want correct contextual use, but still frowned upon by Chris Rock)

So who are the women that try and sell me heather in the street? Romanys, Gypsies, or Pikeys? *NOTE* this is a Question as I don't know which is the correct term

Can't help you with the Gypsy thisn Mark, but as far as Chavs go (slightly OT sorry) it originated from Chatham in Kent and was shortened to Chat, then somewhere along the line it changed to Chav. That's how I heard it on the radio anyway. Chav is to do with the Burberry embelished ones, not kids as in chavvies.

Chavvies is people from Chatham Kent BUT also Gypsy/Romany slang for kids Lots of terms are shortened from the original, so the meanings get blurred. When someone use the wrod chav...to me it means a scroat who wears fake Burberry or wears tracksuits bottoms they should have replaced as they have grown up and to 'hide' this fact they tuck the legs into their socks. The Baseball caps at the wrong angle as well is a 'steal' from the american hiphop scene so it all is laughable. The girls wearing the velour tracksuits also makes me laugh as they again are a hip hop thing but in the states (unless it is a G-Unit or similar brand) as they are a cheap item of clothing from K-Mart (yes K-Mart not Wal-Mart) or the Flea markets they have there.

To follow on with the shortening of names , I hate with a passion the shortening of peoples names (by the same people that are now 'chav's') Like Mary = Maz Barry = Baz etc etc.
But then things fall into popular use for all the wrong reasons, many years ago I lived up north and never did we use the phrase Crimbo for christmas but since Brookside it as fallen in to widespread usage, much like in Eastenders things are 'sorted' again as in the Eastend it was never used in the same way until Eastenders started it.
Catherine tate makes me smile in the use of 'Am I bovvered' as the woman is taking the piss out of these kids and the kids have missed the sarcasm and think it is cool to act like that, guys/girls she was making an observation of how stupid you are! Stop carrying it on. Ali G with the phrases etc is the same thing, black people don't talk that way...well they didn't until Ali G popped up What makes this worse is that England is thought to be a nation where sarcasm is understood...America is one where it isn't but we have missed the boat on these two examples.

[issics]

The women in the street who sell you heather and lucky charms are usually romany gypsies. Its okay to call someone a gypsy because thats what we are `romany gypsies` but when people start turning it into gypo thats meant as an insult. I know its pathetic and it doesnt bother me that much but if your talking to someone and they are being freindly its ok but most people use the gypo word as an insult.

Chavvy has always been the romany word for children but it has varied depending on what county or area of the country you are in.
Chavs to me is just another chance for people to take the piss out of gypsy children and teens. This is because if you wear checked shirts and gold or big gold earings your a chav, well most romany or traveller people dress like that. Romany are renound for liking bright colours and expressing theirselves and thats ok but there are alot of people who arent romany or travellers and are just scum. They sponge off the dole, screw the social, have 3 kids to get a house then smoke weed all day.
Its just a shame some idiot decided to use the word chav to describe jobless wasters.

As soon as a rom or traveller gets up he will be looking for ways to make money and support hiself and family, thats why we all have nice vans and trailers. It drives me mad to just sit around doin f`all!

[frank_sumner]

Mmmm,

I thought CHAVs was derived from 'Council House And Violent' rather than from any previous use of chavvies (never heard of that one before!) and originated in one of the daily newspapers some years ago.

[issics]

All i know is that romany people go back nearly 1000 years and thats the way its always been said. Like i said before just google for romany ways and language and you will learn more.

[FredTransit]

Pardon my ignorance, but do Romanies actually have a country of origin, all be it back in the distant past?

[MrMPuk]

The women in the street who sell you heather and lucky charms are usually romany gypsies.

I find this quite offensive, walking along the street minding your own business and some old hag shoves heather in your face! Nearly as bad as pushy big issue sellers.

[AndyG]

The women in the street who sell you heather and lucky charms are usually romany gypsies.

I find this quite offensive, walking along the street minding your own business and some old hag shoves heather in your face! Nearly as bad as pushy big issue sellers.

So it wasn't you that gave that dodgy heather to your girl in your avatar

[madmark]

[issics]

Roma originate from india and spain hence the dark hair and skin.
A lot of romany words are similar to indian thats why most roms can understand what indians are on about and vice versa. The word Gypsy comes from Egypt, ie `eGYPtians` as some roma came from there aswell. Roma are also in romania russia yugoslavia poland, all over really.
Im not making it up just search for it!

[chris13]

Theres the problem though issics, you never can tell what any one is like, not till you know them well enough to judge their character, until then people who look the same get tarred with the same brush. No offence meant I am not racial or sectarian just a point of view, good and bad in all parts of the world and the people who live there.

[Rolo]

A lot of romany words are similar to indian thats why most roms can understand what indians are on about and vice versa

Which "Indian" is that?

Sanskrit?

[Big-E]

I heard that Supervan 2 is now the Supervan 3, painted as the royal mail, i coz it still got the SV2 rear end, that's why i think it's odd looking.

[MrMPuk]

I heard that Supervan 2 is now the Supervan 3, painted as the royal mail, i coz it still got the SV2 rear end, that's why i think it's odd looking.

Back in Supervan colours now, but you right Supervan 3 was Supervan 2 and for the relaunch it was painted in Royal Mail colours but that was a few years ago now.

[Big-E]

Don't hear much about SV1, pity. that's was the ultimate van eh?