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Ford Transit 2017 and 2018 Engine Failure Due To Cambelt

Postby Hosedoctor Jim » Mon Jan 17, 2022 9:30 pm

Hello Everyone,

Please forgive me if this question has already been answered. I'm new to this forum and would appreciate any help or advice that you can give me. Anyway, here's my question.

Our company operates 4 breakdown vans. 2017 Transit x 2, and 2018 Transit x 2 (Euro 6)

Both of our 2017 Transits were recalled to Ford for a cambelt inspection. The inspections were completed and no work was deemed necessary by Ford. Soon afterwards, both vehicles had cam belt failures which resulted in total engine failure, including brakes etc.. Ford accepted responsibility for both vehicles and replaced both engines at no cost to our company. However, I now have a third vehicle (2018 Transit) which has bitten the dust with the exact same failure.

Ford have assured me that there was no recall issued for the 2018 Transit. I have provided Ford with the full vehicle service history (which is all in order). The vehicle went out of warranty in 2021.

The cost to fix will be almost £9000. Ford have offered a contribution towards the repair but it is a minimal contribution.

Should I be claiming for more (if not all) towards the replacement engine?
Has anyone else had this issue and if so, have you had a successful outcome with Ford, even if your van was out of warranty?

Any and all advice is greatly appreciated.

I've included the specs for the 2018 van below:

Mileage 86400
Vehicle make FORD
Date of first registration August 2018
Year of manufacture 2018
Cylinder capacity 1995 cc
CO₂ emissions 191 g/km
Fuel type DIESEL
Real Driving Emissions (RDE) Not available
Export marker No
Vehicle type approval N1
Wheelplan 2 AXLE RIGID BODY
Revenue weight 3500 kg
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Re: Ford Transit 2017 and 2018 Engine Failure Due To Cambelt

Postby Altransit » Tue Jan 18, 2022 12:10 am

Just my opinion:

If you've had all servicing carried out according to the service intervals, and have the paperwork, then catastrophic failure of the timing belt before the recommended replacement interval, 'should' be the responsibility of the manufacturer.
Since you've already had two vans fixed under warranty, for the same reason, they've already set a precedent :wink:
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Re: Ford Transit 2017 and 2018 Engine Failure Due To Cambelt

Postby Hosedoctor Jim » Tue Jan 18, 2022 12:20 am

Thanks for the prompt reply Altransit. Do you think I have a strong case? Even though there was no recall issued for the 2018 vans?
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Re: Ford Transit 2017 and 2018 Engine Failure Due To Cambelt

Postby Altransit » Tue Jan 18, 2022 12:42 am

I do think you have a good case, particularly as you've had two vans done already, and can prove it. Just because they didn't recall them, it doesn't mean that there's not an inherent problem, and there are quite a few stories on here of this happening to the 2.0 ecoblue engine, apart from your own.
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Re: Ford Transit 2017 and 2018 Engine Failure Due To Cambelt

Postby knobby1 » Tue Jan 18, 2022 3:51 am

Altransit wrote:I do think you have a good case, particularly as you've had two vans done already, and can prove it. Just because they didn't recall them, it doesn't mean that there's not an inherent problem, and there are quite a few stories on here of this happening to the 2.0 ecoblue engine, apart from your own.


Are these the silly "wet belt" jobs people are having issues with..??

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Re: Ford Transit 2017 and 2018 Engine Failure Due To Cambelt

Postby Hosedoctor Jim » Tue Jan 18, 2022 9:44 am

Yes I've been told that it is a wet belt that has failed. And I was told it failed due to oil degradation. The oil was serviced at the correct interval and the correct oil was used when it was serviced.
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Re: Ford Transit 2017 and 2018 Engine Failure Due To Cambelt

Postby Altransit » Tue Jan 18, 2022 9:55 am

Hosedoctor Jim wrote:Yes I've been told that it is a wet belt that has failed. And I was told it failed due to oil degradation. The oil was serviced at the correct interval and the correct oil was used when it was serviced.

I don't see that they have a leg to stand on, you've done everything you should have done, they can really only reject the claim if you were late with (or missed) an oil change, or used the wrong oil.
You may need to start harassing people to get it done though, either the dealer, or Ford customer services :idea:
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Re: Ford Transit 2017 and 2018 Engine Failure Due To Cambelt

Postby Hosedoctor Jim » Tue Jan 18, 2022 11:06 am

We are pursuing it with Ford UK. I will give an update when I get further feedback from them. Thanks for your help Altransit.

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Re: Ford Transit 2017 and 2018 Engine Failure Due To Cambelt

Postby Altransit » Tue Jan 18, 2022 2:10 pm

Hosedoctor Jim wrote: Thanks for your help Altransit.

Jim

'Tis only my opinion, so not much help really :(
I have managed (in the distant past!) to get Ford to undertake "out of warranty" work, and once was for an engine rebuild, but I won't pretend that it was easy going, and it helps if you have a 'friend' within the dealership.

Good luck, and 'yes please' to keeping us posted 8)
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Re: Ford Transit 2017 and 2018 Engine Failure Due To Cambelt

Postby knobby1 » Tue Jan 18, 2022 8:52 pm

Hosedoctor Jim wrote:Yes I've been told that it is a wet belt that has failed. And I was told it failed due to oil degradation. The oil was serviced at the correct interval and the correct oil was used when it was serviced.


Why they went with a wet belt instead of a chain is beyond me :? ....and it's not just Transits that have trouble with them.

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Re: Ford Transit 2017 and 2018 Engine Failure Due To Cambelt

Postby Altransit » Tue Jan 18, 2022 9:32 pm

The Connect started using a wet belt in the 1.8 engine, back in 2007, and there were many failures with this engine too, so it's difficult to see why they thought it was a good idea to use one in the 2.0 euro6 engine.
Surely, a chain is a better component to run in oil, in this application :?
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Re: Ford Transit 2017 and 2018 Engine Failure Due To Cambelt

Postby Chug » Tue Jan 18, 2022 11:05 pm

The affected range is up to 1 July 2019 so they are telling porkies . :shock:
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Re: Ford Transit 2017 and 2018 Engine Failure Due To Cambelt

Postby Altransit » Wed Jan 19, 2022 12:54 am

Chug wrote:The affected range is up to 1 July 2019 so they are telling porkies . :shock:
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Good info Chug, well spotted:-

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Re: Ford Transit 2017 and 2018 Engine Failure Due To Cambelt

Postby janer2022 » Mon Jun 06, 2022 3:00 pm

Hello
We've got exactly the same thing with a 2018 model - may I ask how you got on with Ford please Hosedoctor Jim ?
Many thanks
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Re: Ford Transit 2017 and 2018 Engine Failure Due To Cambelt

Postby knobby1 » Mon Jun 06, 2022 8:10 pm

janer2022 wrote:Hello
We've got exactly the same thing with a 2018 model - may I ask how you got on with Ford please Hosedoctor Jim ?
Many thanks
Jane


Unfortunately he hasn't been back on here since Jan 19th...so we may never know.

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