2012 minibus won’t start

[Bobbybalboa]

My 2012 transit miles minibus RWD has been in the garage for 4 months. They have changed the high pressure fuel pump but it still won’t start. They thought there is air in the fuel line. I have had enough of that garage so it’s no longer there.

Wondering how I go about getting all the air out of the fuel system and hopefully it will start. It has 2 new batteries and fuel filter installed. There is a fault code on the EGR valve & glowplug No.1 but it started fine with these problems before.

It was around -30c when the problem first started so wondering if there was some water in the fuel that has frozen & cracked something to now let air in.

Any help would be great.

[Bobbybalboa]

Photo of the transit

[knobby1]

Euro-5's don't usually suffer from air in the lines as they have an in-tank lift pump.

What fault codes are you getting..??

Lord Knobrot (Smithy)

[Bobbybalboa]

I’m pretty sure this van doesn’t have a fuel pump in the tank

[Bobbybalboa]

See the photo

[knobby1]

I’m pretty sure this van doesn’t have a fuel pump in the tank

If it's a 2.2 RWD 2012 Euro-5...it does....or should have.

Lord Knobrot.

[Bobbybalboa]

Any ideas why it won’t start then?

[metalworker0]

For a start you can check that the in-tank pump is turning on.
Get someone to sit in it and cycle the ignition on and off without starting it, you outside with head in the tank area listening.. you should hear a click from the tank and maybe a wirrr of a motor if working.

if no sound of pump , hit tank with big rubber mallet .. if it then starts, so will your engine, the fault is then only temporally fixed, it will need a new pump

all the best.mark

[Bobbybalboa]

Is it one of these that I need?

[metalworker0]

Not necessarily that one .. as ive not checked the part numbers

and you must check to see if its working , don't go replacing it willy nilly on a guess or whim.

part numbers can be found here:

http://www.catcar.info/ford/?lang=en&l= ... MzEwMDE%3D

Note .. pumps can be found as a separate item, (searching ebay or the net) you don't have to buy the whole unit, note pumps on their own are generic and will not be listed as ford or any make .. pump may have a number on the side of it that may lead you to the right one, to do the repair that way you must be a bit of a sleuth.. tracking things down .. if you don't have that nature in you ... you'll be buying the whole unit

all the best.mark

[andz327]

hahe they tried giving it a squirt with easy start to see if it starts, you saying no pump in tank sounds why its not starting like ma laird knobby mentioned euro 5s have them,
buy the whole unit if you need to replace it, if pump not working it could be a wiring loom problem so you'll need to check for powers and grounds etc at the plug before buying a pump

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[Frag]

Make sure the inertia fuel cut off behind glove box hasn’t been tripped……

[andz327]

Make sure the inertia fuel cut off behind glove box hasn’t been tripped……

good call boss Frag

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[Frag]

They can be tripped out by a good knock,
Or I’ve seen people trip them chiselling the shear bolts that hold mirrors on

[Bobbybalboa]

Thanks for everyone that has replied here. I really appreciate it.

The 2nd garage that I got the bus towed to spend 5.5 hours fault checking and came to the conclusion that the ECU (PCM) was the problem. I got the part & model number from ford here in Norway and managed to buy a used one from close to where I'm from in the UK. Not many of these ford minibuses over here compared to the UK.

I got a private ECU specialist to clone my (faulty) one over to the used one. When I imstalled it into the car the clone had worked as all the key codes / immobilisor was fine but of cause the problem was the same. Only difference now was the list of fault codes has increased due to testing the replacemant ECU before it was cloned and Forscan can't delete these codes as they are perminent codes. As in the problem needs to be fixed before the fault code can be deleted.

I have asked the garage if they can vaccum the fuel lines so we are 100% sure it's not air in the system that is the problem but can it be that the perminent fault codes are telling the engine not to start to protect it from critical damage.

I appologise for not having any more facts but I don't have a place to work on the bus at home as we live far out in the forest and with it being so big I have had to use the recovery company to tow it from the first to second garage and hopefully not a final trip to Ford dealer as then the budget will really go out of the window

What I did find out was that the lowest wiring loom connected to the ECU had been rubbing against the body work. Looks like the first garage had repaied this before changing the high pressure pump.