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Postby Infectus-Guy » Mon Dec 19, 2005 3:52 pm

OK guys, what do you think........
Here's a pic from the top, this bit's the easy part as i'm just gonna fab. it out of sheet-

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Now here's what the underneath looked like after my first scrape/chop around-

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and now here it is after a PROPER dig around-

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So my question is - do you think it's worth buying a pattern chassis box section and cutting it down/welding it into place? Any idea how much they are? I'm quessing about £50 because that's what a new slam panel cost me. Or should I just fab. it out myself? Not hard exactly, and cheaper, but i'm, thinking it's gonna take me AGES if i DIY it. I only paid £100 for it so i don't mind spending a bit here and there.
Has anyone who's done this are before got any word of wisdom?
Cheers for any help,
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Postby rover » Mon Dec 19, 2005 4:46 pm

A few words of......well not sure its wisdom but...

I have done a very similar job, on a MK3 coachbuilt camper, it was going to be such a pain to get round it with the grinder/welder that I decided to take the axle and the exhaust off, after that it was pretty much plain sailing, i reckon by spending two hours removing them that i saved myself equally as much if not more time than I would have pi$$ing about trying to work around them!

I had a local engineering company cut and fold the 2mm steel for me and drill the holes for me, they charged me a grand total of £10, including the price of the steel itself.


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Postby Infectus-Guy » Mon Dec 19, 2005 5:56 pm

I think it might come to removing the axle/exhaust either way. The two axle U bolts are loose the other side anyway (bought it like that! :lol: ) and the exhaust has got a hole were the joint is in front of the axle.
Still not sure if I can be bothered to make my own box section, thing is there is a slight curve where the bump stop is. It doesn't need to be there really, especially as mine has HD springs and a 130 axle (the van is a 120) so it'll never hit the stops, not that they exist any more!
Yeah, now i've got to do welding from the middle side i think an axle strip will have to be done. Not sure what i'll prop it on, i'll need to borrow some bloody tall axle stands by the looks of it!
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Postby Gunslinger » Mon Dec 19, 2005 8:51 pm

this one could cause you some headaches .... i havent got time to go through it all right now, i'll post back later when i get home

one word of caution though is be very carefull where you support it, because removing a section like that from the chassis, especially when the top piece is also missing might result in an unexpected bend in your vehicle.

also dont add any extra wieght to the vehicle while you have that section cut out or you might inadvertantly relocate your spring hanger :p

i have an idea how to avoid this, and fix this but will need to post it later as i dont have time now
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rusted chassis

Postby glastry » Mon Dec 19, 2005 11:26 pm

i have a 1999 swb 80 which has rusted in what looks to be the same area
i thought it was very disappointing in a 6 year old van.
has there been a wood floor in this van?
in fact in my van there is generally more rust all round than you would expect.
can anybody say if this is "the standard" for ford vans this age?!!!!
added to my current crop of electrical faults ,i do not think i will want to own another one.
nice to drive though
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Postby rover » Tue Dec 20, 2005 12:35 am

I used four "bloody tall" axle stands, and put them in position just in front and just behind the spring hangers. That gave me enough room to work without the chassis bending.

What you say about the bend in the chassis not needing to be there is true I suppose, perhaps I made more work of it than I really needed to.

It did need the 'Bumpstops' for its M.O.T though.


@Glastry. Your van has gone rusty there already? at six years old? Mine is still going strong :)


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Re: rusted chassis

Postby FredTransit » Tue Dec 20, 2005 12:40 am

glastry wrote:i have a 1999 swb 80 which has rusted in what looks to be the same area
i thought it was very disappointing in a 6 year old van.
has there been a wood floor in this van?
in fact in my van there is generally more rust all round than you would expect.
can anybody say if this is "the standard" for ford vans this age?!!!!
added to my current crop of electrical faults ,i do not think i will want to own another one.
nice to drive though


Mate, think about getting an old un. Our minibus and LWB can both give yours at least 13 years, and niether of them has as bad a chassis. Have has welding on some of the 85 lutons, but on others hardly any at all. It tends to come in waves, some are worse than others but next year none of them will be under 20. I have to say yours sounds like a bad one, bad luck is all I can say.
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Postby Gunslinger » Tue Dec 20, 2005 3:24 am

ok, here goes ... and remember, this is probably what i would do, but doesnt mean it is your only option. i would not use anything under 2mm steel for the chassis, 1.5mm for the floor section, if you can get it and dont mind working with it use galvenised, but remove the coating from anywhere you are going to weld, because the fumes are poisonous.

1) decide if you want that little bulge in the chassis to accomodate the standard bump stop, this will just get the decision out of the way now, it wont make a huge amount of difference to the amount of work.

2) remove the exhaust it will only piss you off and get in the way, while your at it, get rid of anything else like the handbrake cable, LAV system etc etc so you have plenty of room :)

3) if you have 4 suitably large axle stands (and 2 smaller ones for the front) then get it up on them now .... carefully, if not then dont panic just get the back up evenly

4) now get in there properly, and have a look how far the rot extends, dont cut it all out yet, just get some markings to show how far it extends, pay particular attention to the area around the shock mountingand also towards the point where that chassis rail meets the outrigger rail, as there is usually a strengthening plate inside and this tends to rot out

5) you have already cut the floor, now make sure you have cut enough of it, clean it and surrounding area (all the way up to the edge of the inner wheel arch panel as that looks rusty too) remove anything dodgy.

6) take a cardboard template of the side section you are going to remove from the chassis (use the side you havent already cut out, making marks to indicate start and finish of template on the van

7) now cut out any parts of the chassis that is rotten using your marks from earlier as a guide, try not to lose the position of the shock mounting

8 ) now it is hard to tell from the picture if both sides of that section need to be cut out, it looks like you might get away without removing all of it, if this is the case then time to repair the floor, weld it in from the top, and then from underneath (inside the box section) and also spot weld it to the original piece of the floor directly over the original join area between the floor and chassis, this is because one half of you patch will not be directly welded to the chassis, if you have to remove both sides of the chassis rail, then just cut the floor 1" away from the join between chassis and floor, then repair the floor section

9) now repair/fabricate and replace any strengthening sections that should have been inside the box section

10) now use your template to create one (or two if needed) side section(s) to the box section, but make your panel 10 to 15mm deeper so it sticks down lower than the original sides, fold the top at 90 degrees as per the original, line them up and see how the template markings look in relation to the original chassis rail, now you want to get that original shape, so draw a line just above that line and cut some suitably placed slots from the bottom to that new line, then bend the lower section inwards (opposite to the upperbend, thus recreating the original chassis shape) drill some holes in the upper 'tab' that you bent earlier to allow you to spot weld it to the floor (do the same to the second section if you need 2)

11) now if you are replacing both sides of the box section (if not go to 13) position and spot weld the inner one (furthest s away from you) to the floor, and tack it to the original chassis section (butt weld the edges that meet the original chassis)

12) repair any inner strengthening ponits as required now you have one section replaced

13) fabricate a 'U' section that will fit inside the finished box section, about 4" long, add a coupe of ribs at the 2 90 degee bends, and drill a hole in the bottom and weld a suitable nut inside. This will be for the bump stop mounting (even if you dont plan to have it now, maybe change your mind later)

14) fit this strengthening piece inside the box section to your new panel (drill box section and spot weld from outside then seam weld it inside the box) when fitting it, cut away the lower 'tab(s)' so it sits flush with the lip on the bottom of the side section, and weld it to this also, grinding welds flat on loer section

15) now do the same on the other side of the box section that you need to repair, remembering to spot weld it to the floor and also the bump stop plate.

16) you should now have most of the box section replaced (but only spot welded, this is so you can remove anything easily if needed)

17) fabricate a lower panel, that fits the whole width of the box section. and drill a hole in it for the bumpstop bolt, also drill small holes along each edge and if you can create a 'step' at one end so that it will slot inside the original chassis rail, at this end, drill the chassis rail so you can spot weld it to your new section

18 ) start at the end that slots inside the original chassis rail and spot weld it in place, beating the living crap out of it where required with a big hammer :P to get it to follow the correct line of your new side sections, spot welding it to the lower tags that you created. and also spot weld it to the bottom of the bumpstop bracket

19) all spotwelded in .... cool now seam weld the whole bloddy lot once you are happy of course, and dress as required with the grinder

20) last bit :) .... drill 2 holes in the bottom of the new section, one at the lowest point each side of the highest point (ie the bumpstop) make them about 10mm, these you will use to fill the section full of waxoil and they will also act as drain holes, if you can spray some paint in there first that would help(if you used Galv, no worries, save the paint :lol:)


thats it one nice strong repair that will last you a while, and without having to bend stupid shapes, and if you take your time making the side sectiosn and weld it correctly it will be almost invisible as a big repair, you could of course use a repair panel, but you are likely to spend almost as long screwing around trying to get it to fit correctly, and i doubt ti will be as strong :P
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Postby rallyevo3 » Tue Dec 20, 2005 9:55 am

Mine's an ex Jarvis Dec 98 120.... had her up on the hoist and she is like new underneath... looks like that one was used for towing donkeys up and down the beach!!!

Strange how simular age vans can vary so much, I guess it depends on where they've been, though I am suprised they vary so much!

Good luck with the repair... the advise from Gunslinger is excellent

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Postby Gunslinger » Tue Dec 20, 2005 5:24 pm

EDIT to the above ... point 3, if you plan on removing the axle ignore the rest of this ... if your planning on leaving it on, then stick a jack under each side of the axle and just take up the weight of the axle, this is just to relieve any pressure the axle might apply to the chassis if suspended with nothing to support its weight :)
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Re: rusted chassis

Postby Infectus-Guy » Wed Dec 21, 2005 12:22 pm

glastry wrote:has there been a wood floor in this van?


Yes, there has actually! Looks like you've seen this before then! :wink:
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Postby Infectus-Guy » Wed Dec 21, 2005 12:51 pm

Gunslinger wrote:EDIT to the above ... point 3, if you plan on removing the axle ignore the rest of this ... if your planning on leaving it on, then stick a jack under each side of the axle and just take up the weight of the axle, this is just to relieve any pressure the axle might apply to the chassis if suspended with nothing to support its weight :)


Wow thanks! Amazing writeup Gunslinger, you guys are awesome! 8)
Yeah, I think you're right about the repair pannel being just as much hastle as well as costing LOADS more! 2mm was what I had in mind and although I have access to a sheet bender (at work, not at home) this still sounds like the best method, doing it face by face. That way I won't bend it all up at work, only to bring it home and be a couple of mm out or something like that! :wink:

I don't think i'll have to replace both sides of the box section, but I totally forgot about the flex that will be occuring the more I chop out! :wink: Mind you most of it just tore out so i doubt its any weaker! Its funny because even though the floor panel has gone the other side, the chassis section is fine with no rot at all (i'm gonna waxoyl it to buggery though! :twisted: ). I'd have though that that side being the shitty side of the road would have gone first.

Ahhh yes good call on stage 13, thats the best way to do it for sure. Infact I hadn't given that piece much thought, namely because there wasn't really much left of it as the rust had made it so unrecognisable. :wink: The good thing about doing it this way is that I can fit any old genric bumpstop on for now, i'll still weld a captive nut in but for now I might just tiger-seal them on just to get it though the MOT! :wink:

Anyway, thanks for the step-by-step process, thats more help than I could have ever wished for and will save me from wasting a LOT of head-scratching time for sure! I'll most likely be doing all the welding next week so i'll post up some pictures, probably stage-by-stage. Infact we could almost make it into an article for the Tech. section, your writeup + my pics. I'll PM Luke when i'm done..........
Cheers!
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Postby Gunslinger » Fri Dec 23, 2005 6:54 pm

glad it helped, i am sure you'll be able to add a few notes to it aswell by the time your done ... good luck with the repair
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Postby glastry » Fri Dec 23, 2005 8:26 pm

and thanks from me as well-the time and effort taken in your post is much appreciated.after much "excavation" my floor has suffered much more than the chassis,now welded up and sealed-to be wax-oiled when i can work up the steam to work in the cold!!

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