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Re: Piston reversal.

Postby Mike » Fri Jul 09, 2021 2:54 pm

The answer is connected to what Andy is going to try :wink: And also backs up my thoughts as to why it won’t work.
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Re: Piston reversal.

Postby conrod » Fri Jul 09, 2021 9:04 pm

Richard Holdener has a really great youtube channel where he tries a lot of different engine combos and then dynos them to see how well they work. He has been talking about flipped pistons for a few months now, asking if they make a difference or not. He has acquired a Dodge 5.9 Magnum engine to test this theory. I find his channel really interesting, he is a very likeable and knowledgeable guy, even if I will never try most of the things that he tests. You will need to keep watching for the test, which he hasn't done yet though:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Qaun1EAV2w&t=3s
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Re: Piston reversal.

Postby V184 » Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:08 pm

conrod wrote:Richard Holdener has a really great youtube channel where he tries a lot of different engine combos and then dynos them to see how well they work. He has been talking about flipped pistons for a few months now, asking if they make a difference or not. He has acquired a Dodge 5.9 Magnum engine to test this theory. I find his channel really interesting, he is a very likeable and knowledgeable guy, even if I will never try most of the things that he tests. You will need to keep watching for the test, which he hasn't done yet though:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Qaun1EAV2w&t=3s


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Re: Piston reversal.

Postby dumper » Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:01 pm

V184 wrote:
conrod wrote:Richard Holdener has a really great youtube channel where he tries a lot of different engine combos and then dynos them to see how well they work. He has been talking about flipped pistons for a few months now, asking if they make a difference or not. He has acquired a Dodge 5.9 Magnum engine to test this theory. I find his channel really interesting, he is a very likeable and knowledgeable guy, even if I will never try most of the things that he tests. You will need to keep watching for the test, which he hasn't done yet though:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Qaun1EAV2w&t=3s


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Re: Piston reversal.

Postby V184 » Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:16 pm

dumper wrote:
V184 wrote:
conrod wrote:Richard Holdener has a really great youtube channel where he tries a lot of different engine combos and then dynos them to see how well they work. He has been talking about flipped pistons for a few months now, asking if they make a difference or not. He has acquired a Dodge 5.9 Magnum engine to test this theory. I find his channel really interesting, he is a very likeable and knowledgeable guy, even if I will never try most of the things that he tests. You will need to keep watching for the test, which he hasn't done yet though:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Qaun1EAV2w&t=3s


The only Magnum Andy understands is an ice cream !

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Or slap a bosch pump on a Vauxhall Magnum :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Piston reversal.

Postby Mike » Sat Sep 11, 2021 5:53 pm

He’s either done it and is selling the idea for millions, or it’s blown up on the dyno and killed him dead :mrgreen:
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Re: Piston reversal.

Postby andypdq » Sun Sep 19, 2021 11:36 pm

I just had a little end failure on a 2.4, but the pump is still running fine. With the introduction of LED lighting I thought gaslighting was out of fashion Mike. :wink:
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Re: Piston reversal.

Postby knobby1 » Sun Sep 19, 2021 11:52 pm

Mike wrote:He’s either done it and is selling the idea for millions, or it’s blown up on the dyno and killed him dead :mrgreen:


Don't suppose you could kill him any other way but dead..?? :mrgreen:

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Re: Piston reversal.

Postby andypdq » Mon Sep 20, 2021 12:15 am

conrod wrote:Richard Holdener has a really great youtube channel where he tries a lot of different engine combos and then dynos them to see how well they work. He has been talking about flipped pistons for a few months now, asking if they make a difference or not. He has acquired a Dodge 5.9 Magnum engine to test this theory. I find his channel really interesting, he is a very likeable and knowledgeable guy, even if I will never try most of the things that he tests. You will need to keep watching for the test, which he hasn't done yet though:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Qaun1EAV2w&t=3s


I've been a subscriber to Richard's channel for years. l love American V8s. When I was young the only one available to the common man in the UK was the Buick 215, aka Rover, where was Ford?.

He never actually got to flip the pistons in this video, so what does it prove?
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Re: Piston reversal.

Postby andypdq » Thu Oct 07, 2021 2:20 pm

You may be interested to know that at one point the Chrysler corporation recommended piston reversal for race engines using standard components, their race team did it, you may wonder why?
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Re: Piston reversal.

Postby Mike » Thu Oct 07, 2021 2:32 pm

andypdq wrote: their race team did it, you may wonder why?

For circuits where torque was more important than power and as it was for a race engine, the wear rate didn't matter?

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Re: Piston reversal.

Postby andypdq » Thu Oct 07, 2021 3:03 pm

Back in the day the 1970 s. My brother and I did a routien freshen up on his 440 six pack.
The usual rings bearings touch the valves. While we were at it we decided to follow chryslers
advice and swap the pistons bank for bank. This changes the piston offset from .090 from one
side to the other. Chrysler claims 12 hp. Buddy let me tell you. Those were not shetland ponies.
Thoes were bad- aSS CLYDSDALES. The motor reved faster in the mid range and peaked higher.
Henry Ford was on to this because I understand his flathead v8s had the crank offset away from
the centerline of the v. The new kawasaki 1000 sport bikes have done the same thing on there four
cylinder monsters. Some people say less friction some say lon

I know it's only word of mouth evidence but.....

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Re: Piston reversal.

Postby andypdq » Thu Oct 07, 2021 3:23 pm

It's an interesting idea, I don't know whether it works or whether it doesn't, I'm not saying it does, but it's a diversion from the tedious rule of thumb conventional. What's wrong with considering it?
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Re: Piston reversal.

Postby andypdq » Thu Oct 07, 2021 3:30 pm

From a purely mechanical point of view it will work, I can resolve forces, pressure and dwell influences, I don't know. I'm honest.
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Re: Piston reversal.

Postby andypdq » Thu Oct 07, 2021 3:54 pm

How's you innovate mods coming on Mike, have you upgraded an LED or changed a bit of trim?
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