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Should a 1998 manual clutch,have a spring? Dealer says no

Postby Fordtractorman » Tue Dec 14, 2021 2:20 pm

Vehicle = 1998 150 TD with standard 5 speed manual gearbox. Clutch pedal has cable, that can be adjusted manually by turning a M6 locknut further up (or down) a threaded final section on cable. Not an auto adjuster setup.

Apologizes, as this has come up before on here, but not asking my exact question. Should my setup have a spring somewhere on the clutch pedal? My dealer says no. Only the self adjusting auto type arrangements had a spring (or two). Apparently the Ford parts catalogue is very unclear.

I think there should be a spring. Ive made that assumption on the fact there is a tiny hole present in the black metal work of the clutch pedal itself. Many images on this forum of my exact setup, do show a spring. Id rather checkout the proper genuine Ford spring, and at least i know it would be back to how it was when vehicle was new.

So,

1) Should there be a spring (or two)?

2) Ford part number(s) please


Hopefully an experienced MK5 enthusiast will know these answers!


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Re: Should a 1998 manual clutch,have a spring? Dealer says n

Postby dumper » Tue Dec 14, 2021 3:03 pm

I don’t remember one on mine and I think that when the cable snapped on older fords with a manual adjuster the pedal went straight to the floor and stoped there and when we used to check the adjustment it was done by lifting the pedal up to the stop above if it was on the stop it would be adjusted to give a clearance when set the brake and clutch pedal would be level
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Re: Should a 1998 manual clutch,have a spring? Dealer says n

Postby MinorMatt » Tue Dec 14, 2021 3:56 pm

Yes, there should be a spring...

But it doesn't do anything really and I didn't put it back on mine. Its a very weak one that just holds the pedal down - which happens due to gravity anyway!

The only spring listed is 6141563
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Re: Should a 1998 manual clutch,have a spring? Dealer says n

Postby dumper » Tue Dec 14, 2021 5:22 pm

MinorMatt wrote:Yes, there should be a spring...

But it doesn't do anything really and I didn't put it back on mine. Its a very weak one that just holds the pedal down - which happens due to gravity anyway!

The only spring listed is 6141563

I knew you would know for definite mat long time since I’ve had anything with a cable Ford should never gone onto a hydraulic system the cable was more reliable and easy to change at the side of the road and didn’t happen that often.
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Re: Should a 1998 manual clutch,have a spring? Dealer says n

Postby hetman » Tue Dec 14, 2021 10:48 pm

I changed out the self-adjusting mechanism on my 1995 for a manual one from a 1998, I believe, and I have the same question! I didn't install a spring and it works fine, but feels a bit strange, since there is no spring pulling the pedal up, but everything works fine.
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Re: Should a 1998 manual clutch,have a spring? Dealer says n

Postby MinorMatt » Tue Dec 14, 2021 11:06 pm

the spring pulls the pedal down...
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Re: Should a 1998 manual clutch,have a spring? Dealer says n

Postby Fordtractorman » Tue Dec 14, 2021 11:43 pm

A small weak spring would be perfect actually. Something to help 'pull the pedal down a bit' when my foot isnt touching it.

With no spring there the pedal is rather 'floppy' and occasionally causes a bit of noise to come from release bearing, just touching, then bouncing off the clutch cover, especially on engine tickover.

A spring would help keep the face of thrust bearing tight up to clutch toggle fingers. But not so tight as to prematurely wear out the bearing.

MinorMatt are you sure 6141563 is the correct Ford part number for the spring im needing? 6141563 comes up as a 'spacer tube' on the Ford system.
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Re: Should a 1998 manual clutch,have a spring? Dealer says n

Postby MinorMatt » Wed Dec 15, 2021 9:35 am

It appears that I got it wrong and meant to say 6156489
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Re: Should a 1998 manual clutch,have a spring? Dealer says n

Postby gotgcoalman » Sat Dec 18, 2021 10:58 pm

The spring is very important on the mk 5's

It makes the annoying "twang" at every gear change.

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Re: Should a 1998 manual clutch,have a spring? Dealer says n

Postby cherniy_chack » Sun Dec 19, 2021 3:04 pm

My MK3 had two springs, but I was unable to install one correctly and threw it away.
Two or three years ago I replaced the ratchet system with a screw system and it works great with no springs at all.
The position of the clutch pedal flush with the other pedals is determined by the stop.
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