Engine & Gearbox Removal

[silvercloud]

Well lads,

What a PIA the lower gearbox to subframe bolt is

I have what i thought removed everything i needed to remove the engine and gearbox as one unit, but i cant seem to get the gearbox clear to get the engine out ??

Am i missing some nifty trick?

I've dropped the cross memeber, all engine mounts and she still wont seem to clear the subframe ?? do i need to remove steering rack ?

2013 transit mk7 Euro 5(i think) RWD 2.2 LWB

Any suggestions most welcome as i havent a clue at this point- working on my own on the driveway

[tranmx2]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKTu4tyzbLI
Vid of from a 2009 which could be different.
Some have hydraulic racks and some have electric.
Some good views of under neath and can see what is likely the sway bar.

viewtopic.php?t=213170
viewtopic.php?t=124773

When the engine was taken out of the 2012 the gearbox was left in. The shaft that goes into the spigot bearing needs to be in line with the internal part of the bearing - parralel - in line vertically and horozontally for the length of the shaft that is in the bearing - about 25 mm. There are 2 ferals that also need to be aligned.
Very easy to get things a bit askew.
I seem to remember reading that the steering rack and pinion need to come out.

Google AI : To remove the gearbox on a 2013 Ford Transit, the steering rack and pinion assembly needs to be removed first. This is because the steering rack is positioned directly above the gearbox, and its removal allows sufficient access for gearbox removal.

Not sure re' the above as the steering rack on the 2012 seems to be below the gearbox.

steering rack.JPG

Steering UJ on L of image

steering rack UJ on L of image.JPG

steering UJ gearbox.

Steering UJ gearbox.JPG

Looks like the steering rack pinion is under the gearbox.

Perhaps slackening the unit is sufficient to have clearance.

[silvercloud]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKTu4tyzbLI
Vid of from a 2009 which could be different.
Some have hydraulic racks and some have electric.
Some good views of under neath and can see what is likely the sway bar.

viewtopic.php?t=213170
viewtopic.php?t=124773

When the engine was taken out of the 2012 the gearbox was left in. The shaft that goes into the spigot bearing needs to be in line with the internal part of the bearing - parralel - in line vertically and horozontally for the length of the shaft that is in the bearing - about 25 mm. There are 2 ferals that also need to be aligned.
Very easy to get things a bit askew.
I seem to remember reading that the steering rack and pinion need to come out.

Google AI : To remove the gearbox on a 2013 Ford Transit, the steering rack and pinion assembly needs to be removed first. This is because the steering rack is positioned directly above the gearbox, and its removal allows sufficient access for gearbox removal.

Not sure re' the above as the steering rack on the 2012 seems to be below the gearbox.

steering rack.JPG

Steering UJ on L of image

steering rack UJ on L of image.JPG

steering UJ gearbox.

Steering UJ gearbox.JPG

Looks like the steering rack pinion is under the gearbox.

Perhaps slackening the unit is sufficient to have clearance.

Thank you so much for your help and links, absolutely impossible to get gearbox with the engine intact - I did manage to get it out enough to allow me to unbolt the gearbox and slide the engine from the box , pig of a job , from what I could see from your links the steering rack has to come out the drivers side …. Unfortunately I have the van right up against the wall on the drivers side !!!

I’ll have a dig around tomorrow and see what’s needed to get the gearbox out , the gearbox is fine the engine is the problem , but It was hard enough to split them can’t imagine the hardship of lining them up

Have the fun job of finding out what’s wrong with the engine now ! Bought it broken breathing ver heavy and oil leaking from everywhere

[tranmx2]

On the 2000 luton back Transit I had to get the steering rack out - the hydraulic pipe had been damaged.
The rack came out via the driver's side.
Lots of changes but maybe some things are the same.

[silvercloud]

On the 2000 luton back Transit I had to get the steering rack out - the hydraulic pipe had been damaged.
The rack came out via the driver's side.
Lots of changes but maybe some things are the same.

I would be surprised if I haven’t done damage to anything trying to get it out, definitely no clearance !! No idea how I’ll get it back together but I have plenty to keep me occupied till then

Your photos and links were a great help thank you

Hopefully I’ll find out what’s wrong with the engine over the weekend !

[tranmx2]

Putting the recon eng onto the bell housing.
Get the eng' out.
The area to be used was leveled off as best as could be done ontop of which a 3/4" ply sheet was laid. A trench dug where the van would be with the soil put to each side with planks on top to give some room to get under the van with more ply for a body to lay on. The area where the engine would be removed had a slight decline so as to roll/pull the van down and make it easier to with a block and tackle pull the van up a bit if required.
Prior to removing the eng' wooden blocks (can be seen in 1st image) were placed under the gearbox to keep it at the height it was at when connected to the eng'.
Removing the damaged engine took several attempts. I had not removed the lower front x member. It was removed prior to putting in the recon' eng'.
Getting the eng' out the eng' was lifted using the eng' mounts L and R luckily I'd got it about in the middle and held/balanced.
There was no rear lifting eye fitted.
Putting the recon in.
I had bought an engine crane (to remove and refit the eng') the boom of which was bent, the leveler did not fit, so made one up of a piece of square tube and plate welded together attached by chain and shackles to the eng front and rear lifting eyes. I think I bought the rear lifting eye.
Getting all sort of level/sqaure was not easy it was trial and error - wedge a bit here and there etc.

A freind who was mechanically aware helped to get the recon eng' in and onto the bell housing
A couple of easy to get at bolts were put into position. Adjustments made as the two pieces were brought together. The gearbox fell over to one side a bit and was easily nudged out of line. The thickness of spanners was used to bring the two pieces together as evenly as could be.
With the freind under the van doing the bolts/spanners and me altering the eng'/crane it went together without too much hassle.
The crane wheels were a bit of a small OD and could dig into the ply. The 6 wheels went in the meadian sum of whatever direction they decided.
Better to have a smooth hard level surface for the van and the crane.

You seem able to do the job.

Likely to be damaged are the two ferals, the spigot bearing, the end of the shaft that goes into the spigot bearing, gearbox mount at the back, the block and bell housing faces.

[silvercloud]

Putting the recon eng onto the bell housing.
Get the eng' out.
The area to be used was leveled off as best as could be done ontop of which a 3/4" ply sheet was laid. A trench dug where the van would be with the soil put to each side with planks on top to give some room to get under the van with more ply for a body to lay on. The area where the engine would be removed had a slight decline so as to roll/pull the van down and make it easier to with a block and tackle pull the van up a bit if required.
Prior to removing the eng' wooden blocks (can be seen in 1st image) were placed under the gearbox to keep it at the height it was at when connected to the eng'.
Removing the damaged engine took several attempts. I had not removed the lower front x member. It was removed prior to putting in the recon' eng'.
Getting the eng' out the eng' was lifted using the eng' mounts L and R luckily I'd got it about in the middle and held/balanced.
There was no rear lifting eye fitted.
Putting the recon in.
I had bought an engine crane (to remove and refit the eng') the boom of which was bent, the leveler did not fit, so made one up of a piece of square tube and plate welded together attached by chain and shackles to the eng front and rear lifting eyes. I think I bought the rear lifting eye.
Getting all sort of level/sqaure was not easy it was trial and error - wedge a bit here and there etc.

A freind who was mechanically aware helped to get the recon eng' in and onto the bell housing
A couple of easy to get at bolts were put into position. Adjustments made as the two pieces were brought together. The gearbox fell over to one side a bit and was easily nudged out of line. The thickness of spanners was used to bring the two pieces together as evenly as could be.
With the freind under the van doing the bolts/spanners and me altering the eng'/crane it went together without too much hassle.
The crane wheels were a bit of a small OD and could dig into the ply. The 6 wheels went in the meadian sum of whatever direction they decided.
Better to have a smooth hard level surface for the van and the crane.

You seem able to do the job.

Likely to be damaged are the two ferals, the spigot bearing, the end of the shaft that goes into the spigot bearing, gearbox mount at the back, the block and bell housing faces.

I’ve managed to assess what’s been done or not , no damage on anything gearbox or engine , think it managed to get it out without damage , steering rack probably got a few good belts of the gearbox . Other than that I think we’re good ! Pulled the engine apart and found the problem now just need to figure out what I may or may not need to replace !

[Altransit]

I’ve managed to assess what’s been done or not , no damage on anything gearbox or engine , think it managed to get it out without damage , steering rack probably got a few good belts of the gearbox . Other than that I think we’re good ! Pulled the engine apart and found the problem now just need to figure out what I may or may not need to replace !

Don't keep us in suspenders

What was wrong with the engine

[tranmx2]

Answer to the suspenders:
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=234018

[silvercloud]

I’ve managed to assess what’s been done or not , no damage on anything gearbox or engine , think it managed to get it out without damage , steering rack probably got a few good belts of the gearbox . Other than that I think we’re good ! Pulled the engine apart and found the problem now just need to figure out what I may or may not need to replace !

Don't keep us in suspenders

What was wrong with the engine

Pulled the engine apart….. drum roll please …. Number 3 piston cracked /slightly holed and some marring to the bore , apart from that the rest of it is looking good.

I thing the damage to the bore will hone out , the injectors are obviously going to need attention I believe the number 3 injector caused a hot spot on the piston .

She will live on !!!

[knobby1]

Pulled the engine apart….. drum roll please …. Number 3 piston cracked /slightly holed and some marring to the bore , apart from that the rest of it is looking good.

I thing the damage to the bore will hone out , the injectors are obviously going to need attention I believe the number 3 injector caused a hot spot on the piston .

She will live on !!!

Always seems to be #3...and always Euro-5... I wonder why..??

Lord Knobrot

[silvercloud]

Pulled the engine apart….. drum roll please …. Number 3 piston cracked /slightly holed and some marring to the bore , apart from that the rest of it is looking good.

I thing the damage to the bore will hone out , the injectors are obviously going to need attention I believe the number 3 injector caused a hot spot on the piston .

She will live on !!!

Always seems to be #3...and always Euro-5... I wonder why..??

Lord Knobrot

Stupid electronic shitty injectors

By all accounts I’ve been quite lucky , no metal in the sump etc so I believe it was caught in time !

And sir knobrot, have seen your quite knowledgeable- from all my searches on the forum… what’s your opinion on skinning the head on the euro 5 ?