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Re: recon mk 7 2.2 rwd 2013 no power have forscan please hel

Postby jayjay25 » Mon May 05, 2025 10:56 am

tranmx2 wrote:Your title - Idle cold - . shows 44 C as ECT and EOT with 21 as IAT, rpm at 838.
If the van is in the UK it would show as cold idle the ambient temp which this morning is about 12.6 C. The temps would rise to engine operating temps with the engine running. With the vehicle being driven it can take several mins for operating temp to be reached. The thermostat on mine opens at 88 C. Forscan usually shows 70 to 75 C. That shown on the temp gauge on the consul is a guide only.
An infra red heat gun can show a comparison temp' and can be aimed at different parts of the engine.
If the van is in the Middle East it is likely to be at about 40C ambient temp.
It seems then that the engine had already been running prior to connecting Forscan.

MAP 13.2 psi indicates the van is 883 mtrs above seal level at 839 rpm. The MAP goes up with rpm 1745 shows 20.5 psi MAP.

MAF shows 8.70 g/s at 839 rpm (the 2012 shows 19.59) - I don't know what is the correct reading for the MAF is, info' on the net differs.

Lack of power. There are many reasons for a lack of power. Now complicated by the use of electrics/electronics.
Too much or not enough air. Too much or not enough fuel. Lack of sufficient compression. Restrictions inlet and or exhaust systems. Electrical/electronic - wiring, conectors, pins, corrosion.
The imobiliser can reduce the rpm/power from an engine.
Lack of power can be a bad earth connection a low battery voltage.
The modula system is like a row of dominoes - when one is affected it can result in those nearby/linked being affected.

DTCs - indicate a fault, the likely location of the fault. Fix the fault then delete/reset the DTC.

DPFs can be cleaned they also accumulate ash - see ORiley on youtube.
Forscan see SY Diagnostics and others on youtube. As the bicycle one needs to ride it to know it.

Cyl bal - the term makes not much sense to me as it seems to be related to injector fuel return to tank. The fuel was used to cool the injector, the condition of the injector nozzle could be determined by the amount of fuel returned - leak back test.

One needs to know the location of the vehicle, the expected readings of the sensors, what the readings mean at certain conditions.


yes thats exactly what i was hoping! that somone here might know the expected readings of the sensors and what they mean at certain conditions.

the van is at roughly that altitude hence the map reading. and the ambient temperature is also corect for the south of france this time of year.

perhaps the van was running for 3 or 4 mins while i got the snip images, hence the slightly raised temp.

not sure how the cylinder contribution values are calculated or read myself to be honest, thought they may be of interest to somone here with more expirience, than myself.

still hopeful somone might have advice for me
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Re: recon mk 7 2.2 rwd 2013 no power have forscan please hel

Postby gt_addict » Mon May 05, 2025 11:31 am

If its a 2013 it may be euro 5. Inlet manifolds can get clogged and block the tiny port that feeds the MAP sensor in the manifold. I took the sensor out and stuck a piece of wire down the hole to unclog it. Worked for a while but ended up replacing the inlet manifold (not that difficult or expensive).
I got the underboost/overboost dtc with this issue. The MAP and BARO pressures were similar but while driving there was a distinct delay in the MAP recovering back to match the BARO. Sometimes it would hang for a good few seconds.
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Re: recon mk 7 2.2 rwd 2013 no power have forscan please hel

Postby tranmx2 » Mon May 05, 2025 7:27 pm

jayjay25 wrote:hello good people, long time lurker... cant say how many times somone on here has saved me. massive thanks to all those who take the time to post replies and to keep this thing live and functional! so I have a 2013 mk7 2. 2 rwd e5. had a hg fault, went to do the job and after looking at the old block decided to bite the bullet and buy a recon block and head, put together with a lot of new bits, turbo, egr, water pump etc, basically everything bar injectors and hp pump. she goes, but she goes badly. she has massive lack of power, down through gears to get up hills and if the hill is properly long and steep i mean way down 2nd gear and dousnt want to come back up to 3rd. i have reset all adaptations for fuel and boost systems, van had a dpf delete before i had it so not going at them obv and not updating pcm out of fear it re installs dpf config.no smoke of any colour. main thing im after right now is whether anyone here can tell me what my MAF readings should be at say idle and 2500 rpm under load. if i unplug maf and drive I get a very short lived improvement, slight but noticeable in the power, within 4 mins its dead again. thanks in advance. J


Seems the timing is out - timing chain. Damaged wire connector on a sensor. Sensor connector not fully home.
Used a tie wrap on the turbo connector on mine.
Have been up to 400 mtrs above sea level with the 2012 drove along a valley at about 300 mtrs above sea level for 15 + mins.
Forscan can be used to check voltages on sensors.
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Re: recon mk 7 2.2 rwd 2013 no power have forscan please hel

Postby knobby1 » Mon May 05, 2025 8:20 pm

tranmx2 wrote:Seems the timing is out - timing chain.


Engine won't start if the cam timing is out, they need cam/crank sync to start....unless its the exhaust cam timing out...which is highly unlikely.

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Re: recon mk 7 2.2 rwd 2013 no power have forscan please hel

Postby jayjay25 » Tue May 06, 2025 6:37 am

I had a front crank seal leak due to the timing cover being miss aligned, had to remove cover and ream holes and re seal, I double checked the timing and again as i was aware potentially you could have exaust out but its absolutely mint.
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Re: recon mk 7 2.2 rwd 2013 no power have forscan please hel

Postby jayjay25 » Tue May 06, 2025 6:45 am

cant work out what driving your van at 300 mtr elevation for 15 mins has got to do with anything :?: im not thinking my elevation has anything what so ever to do with my power issues. same issues at sea level in fact!

still completely unsure where to go next, if anyone who can read them data pids like the matrix sees anything im missing please please let me know
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Re: recon mk 7 2.2 rwd 2013 no power have forscan please hel

Postby jayjay25 » Tue May 06, 2025 6:46 am

I have more of them too!
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Re: recon mk 7 2.2 rwd 2013 no power have forscan please hel

Postby vansit1 » Tue May 06, 2025 11:11 am

why is Egr mostly 0 and where is the iat temp sensor located/shouldnt it get some hot engine temps also mixed in?

maybe could also post in some old threads to see if someone can take known good values, or someone in transit camper groups on Fb?
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Re: recon mk 7 2.2 rwd 2013 no power have forscan please hel

Postby jayjay25 » Tue May 06, 2025 12:26 pm

vansit1 wrote:why is Egr mostly 0 and where is the iat temp sensor located/shouldnt it get some hot engine temps also mixed in?

maybe could also post in some old threads to see if someone can take known good values, or someone in transit camper groups on Fb?


hi vansit1 not sure about egr, its brand new but it always reads 0% thinking it was probably deleted when the dpf was done, but it still gets demanded.. so not sure if thats right or not. its also only demanded at idle and when de acelerating which seems odd.

the iat sensor is part of the maf sensor so is located in the low presure air system just after filter box.

do you happen to know whether the demanded boost looks normal in my pics? i think it looks roughly right but i dont know for sure, the actual map and demanded stay very close, well within whats normal as i understand it so surely I can dismiss boost presure as my issue? if its demanding the right ammount and that is being delivered?
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Re: recon mk 7 2.2 rwd 2013 no power have forscan please hel

Postby jayjay25 » Tue May 06, 2025 12:46 pm

knobby1 wrote:
tranmx2 wrote:Seems the timing is out - timing chain.


Engine won't start if the cam timing is out, they need cam/crank sync to start....unless its the exhaust cam timing out...which is highly unlikely.

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I am considering buying a used but decent looking engine wiring harness as mine is pretty rough looking, in the hope it may fix my issues. my part number is CC1T-14A099-BA I am finding scores available with the same code only DB as the final two letters rather than BA. they appear to come from the same van, would you happen to know if there is much difference between them? if for example the DB has an extra connection for air con etc and makes no odds etc or if they are incompatible

thanks for input
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Re: recon mk 7 2.2 rwd 2013 no power have forscan please hel

Postby jayjay25 » Tue May 06, 2025 12:53 pm

I noticed just now that my wiring plug into turbo has a cable tie around the wires where they leave the back of the plug pulling them back almost double as they come out, has anyone here seen this before and or know its purpose?

thanks to all again for any attempts at working any of this out
much obliged
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Re: recon mk 7 2.2 rwd 2013 no power have forscan please hel

Postby gt_addict » Tue May 06, 2025 3:04 pm

EGR is only demanded under deceleration, Idle or low throttle position conditions such as cruising on the motorway etc. From what I’ve noticed when I drive with forscan running, anything over 50% throttle the EGR is shut.
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Re: recon mk 7 2.2 rwd 2013 no power have forscan please hel

Postby knobby1 » Tue May 06, 2025 7:54 pm

jayjay25 wrote:messaging the big man himself i can't quite believe it :D
I am considering buying a used but decent looking engine wiring harness as mine is pretty rough looking, in the hope it may fix my issues. my part number is CC1T-14A099-BA I am finding scores available with the same code only DB as the final two letters rather than BA. they appear to come from the same van, would you happen to know if there is much difference between them? if for example the DB has an extra connection for air con etc and makes no odds etc or if they are incompatible

thanks for input


The "BA" and "DB" suffix is mainly an engineering or manufacturing change, the two harnesses should "in theory" be interchangeable. You may be correct with the connections for A/C etc..

If the old harness still has good continuity, it should still work ok.

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