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Re: Pump & Pilot Learns

Postby DanMK7uk » Fri May 09, 2025 10:02 pm

Coley3159 wrote:
DanMK7uk wrote:Yes, certainly worth doing.its a service procedure which many neglect.

To confirm is yours euro 4 ? Else its non applicable.

Yes it should help smooth things out, however if your scv is not healthy it may still require replacing anyhow. Some even clean them out, but genuine Denso valves can be had for 60 bob. Watch out for fakes !

Its a good starting point running the learns however.

Clutch in can make them hunt. Fairly normal.

Other than that it would suggest fuel pressure may be a little out due to scv often.

Go on to the service functions on forscan, it will run you through the process, reset prv open duration, fuel pump learn followed by injector pilot learn. All simple to follow .

Tbh as long as the van starts and drives id be surprised if it caused any issues with it failing, they sometimes fail due to fuel temps, id recommend doing on a cold engine and bring it up as your doing it.

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How come you recommend to do it on a cold engine? Ive read other places that it should be preformed with a warm engine? Is there an advantage to doing it cold?


As mentioned previously, Because to a high fuel rail temps can cause the learns the fail, ie if it starts the process, but goes to high during the learns with the engine running… generally if not high enough it wont Commence until within range, same as coolant temps, problem is, if its to high to begin it can take longer to cool than heat up. Some put a hose over the rail to keep it cool. Thats my way anyway. Hope that explains better. Cheers

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Re: Pump & Pilot Learns

Postby DanMK7uk » Fri May 09, 2025 10:36 pm

knobby1 wrote:
vansit1 wrote:what does the Prv open thing show/tell to the car?


The PRV open and duration timers are just that...it tells how many times and for how long the PRV was open.

Lord Knobrot


Just to add to that too, if not highlighted then no need to reset. For OP’s info. (Knobby will know that)

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Re: Pump & Pilot Learns

Postby Burn2 » Sat May 10, 2025 7:49 am

Hello to have an idea here are the temp needed for learn.

Pump learn prerequis:
Fuel temp: 25/55°
Cylinder temp: 55/95° forscan:66/90
Idle speed 700/1000 rpm
Fuel rail pressure: 170/330 bars

In my case i have done it when outside temp was at 12/16°.
I start from cold engine, make engine heating in idle ( accelerating to 2000 rpm )

When cht was near 75° fuel temp was in range too ( near 35/40° ).
I launch the process with no problem. ( And make pilot learn after too because injector was new )
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Re: Pump & Pilot Learns

Postby DanMK7uk » Sat May 10, 2025 9:14 pm

Forscan will show the required temperatures when you commence

Nothing to be hesitant about.

It wont continue unless happy

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Re: Pump & Pilot Learns

Postby Coley3159 » Mon May 12, 2025 9:16 am

Thanks for the advice guys, all the learns passed and the van feels better to drive
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