Retrofitting a 2.0 Mtdi engine in a 2.2 Mk7 FWD

[bigjohnthomas]

And how oftern ? Same one every week ? Month? Year ? Decade?

[karl]

2 a week out of 2million squillion transits ?
Not bad ?

when i first come on here it was more then that ive been here for around 2 years just coming up to 3

[dieselhead123]

Just a few notes to clarify some of the points made while I was away at Transitmania.

A quote from Andy from his original Mdti thread;
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=137262

After doing lots of research using Bosch data, we have plans for a third pump, which should be much better matched to the engines requirements. If it lives up to expectations, it should give us at least 110 bhp and stay well within the smoke limits.

+1
would be cool to be able to buy the mechanical unit of the shelf and simply plug it in tho.

That may well happen, if we get satisfactory performance, reliability and economy, and it can be produced at a sensible price.

Andy.

As we can see, Andy's claims are well within what was actually achieved by Bosch/Ford, now 'replicated' by ourselves.

2.4 engines from 115ps upwards uses VP44 pumps. You'll have to put together another pump for them.

Come to think of it. Ford already supply a mech pumps for mk6 2.4 engines
For example - Mech pump for the 2.4 120/125ps TDDI engines is 1C1Q-9A543-AC

Your use of 'Delphi Direct Evolution' has shown our work to be 'legitimate', but don't go too much by different part numbers as variations between pumps may be as simple as alterations to 'static timing', ie. at what position relative to TDC is the pump drive hub is fitted

Your mention of PATS system fitment necessitating an alternative part number for the pump is also interesting.
We have always maintained that retention of a 'Factory Fit' immobilizer system was possible, (nice to be exonerated), I am sure that you all understand why we chose not to discuss this in detail on a public forum.

The pump 'image' you posted can be seen in your post here;

Unfortunately there's no mech pumps listed for the mk6 2.0 TDDI engines & it appears that 2.4 120ps pump is the only one available in the UK
Which the price is double than the normal electronic TDDI pump

Your point about the 120ps pump being available within the UK would suggest that it met existing type approval legislation relating to emissions, good to have this confirmed

While the data contained within 'Delphi Evolution' is likely 'correct', it does not mean that it is necessarily 'complete'. Failure to include pump specifications for a 2.0 Mdti engine does not necessarily mean that specifications were not produced, just that the product never 'went to market'

All customer inquiries involve detailed questioning as to the engine to which the pump will be fitted, (engine size, output, injectors/turbo to be used), to ensure that the pump will be best suited to the engine to which it is fitted. Some of these 'alterations' are carried out at the 'installation' stage by Andy/myself or the 'authorized installer'.

Your inclusion of the 'Ford retail price' is indeed comforting, clearly showing our products to be competitively priced. This has been achieved with the use of 'prudent purchasing' and 'efficient production processes'.

Thanks again Paul for the input you have provided to us and others that have read this thread

TIM

[paul2012]

2.4 engines from 115ps upwards uses VP44 pumps. You'll have to put together another pump for them.

Come to think of it. Ford already supply a mech pumps for mk6 2.4 engines
For example - Mech pump for the 2.4 120/125ps TDDI engines is 1C1Q-9A543-AC

Your use of 'Delphi Direct Evolution' has shown our work to be 'legitimate', but don't go too much by different part numbers as variations between pumps may be as simple as alterations to 'static timing', ie. at what position relative to TDC is the pump drive hub is fitted

Your mention of PATS system fitment necessitating an alternative part number for the pump is also interesting.
We have always maintained that retention of a 'Factory Fit' immobilizer system was possible, (nice to be exonerated), I am sure that you all understand why we chose not to discuss this in detail on a public forum.

The pump 'image' you posted can be seen in your post here;

Unfortunately there's no mech pumps listed for the mk6 2.0 TDDI engines & it appears that 2.4 120ps pump is the only one available in the UK
Which the price is double than the normal electronic TDDI pump

Your point about the 120ps pump being available within the UK would suggest that it met existing type approval legislation relating to emissions, good to have this confirmed

While the data contained within 'Delphi Evolution' is likely 'correct', it does not mean that it is necessarily 'complete'. Failure to include pump specifications for a 2.0 Mdti engine does not necessarily mean that specifications were not produced, just that the product never 'went to market'

All customer inquiries involve detailed questioning as to the engine to which the pump will be fitted, (engine size, output, injectors/turbo to be used), to ensure that the pump will be best suited to the engine to which it is fitted. Some of these 'alterations' are carried out at the 'installation' stage by Andy/myself or the 'authorized installer'.

Your inclusion of the 'Ford retail price' is indeed comforting, clearly showing our products to be competitively priced. This has been achieved with the use of 'prudent purchasing' and 'efficient production processes'.

Thanks again Paul for the input you have provided to us and others that have read this thread

TIM

I didn't use "Delphi Direct Evolution" - Transit mk6 2.4 mech pumps are Bosch

This is a Transit Mk6 2.4 120ps Bosch VE pump without immobiliser (1C1Q-9A543-AC)





Parts no's on this 120ps pump are :-
0 460 414 216 - VE4/11F2000R906-1

They differ from the 100ps pump below

4C10-9A543-CA less immobiliser
0 460 414 247 - VE4/11F2000R906-7

4C10-9A543-DA with immobiliser
0 460 414 246 VE4/11F2000R906-6

Difference between one with immobiliser & one without.
Pumps with immobiliser have a elec pack to inhibit fuel supply (Simular to the Transit mk5 2.5's)

[andypdq]

Hello Paul,

It will be interesting to see how it performs,when compared to ours, and TDDI and TDCI, what are you planning on fitting it to? We always referred to it as the "Turkish" pump, as far as we know it was only ever available on new vehicles in Turkey, welcome to the uncomplicated, easy life of MTDI.

[V184]

So if they did a mechanical pump for the mk6 then they also did a cable throttle pedal then ?

[ake]

So if they did a mechanical pump for the mk6 then they also did a cable throttle pedal then ?

As fitted to petrol engined MK 6

[karl]

So if they did a mechanical pump for the mk6 then they also did a cable throttle pedal then ?

[andypdq]

So if they did a mechanical pump for the mk6 then they also did a cable throttle pedal then ?

Well, it would seem fairly obvious.

[V184]

So if they did a mechanical pump for the mk6 then they also did a cable throttle pedal then ?

Well, it would seem fairly obvious.

i was thinking you could incorporate it in your little conversion "kit" rather than the lash up you used in a previous thread

ps sort that BL badge out it looks like someones sat on it

[V184]

Tim bless his little heart has come up with more page 6 material WTF is a Delphi evolution ?

[karl]

Tim bless his little heart has come up with more page 6 material WTF is a Delphi evolution ?

"You're right, V184 is an arsehole with a chip on his shoulder....... O and HE don't have a clue "

[paul2012]

Tim bless his little heart has come up with more page 6 material WTF is a Delphi evolution ?

Delphi direct evolution - software providing technical information, workshop manuals & parts lists etc etc

http://www.delphidirectevolution.com/lo ... urnUrl=%2f

delphi.jpg

[paul2012]

So if they did a mechanical pump for the mk6 then they also did a cable throttle pedal then ?

Well, it would seem fairly obvious.

Or an illegal immigrant hiding in engine bay

2BDFE36000000578-3217584-Spain_s_civil_guard_found_a_man_crammed_into_a_specially_designe-a-109_1441117162114.jpg

[bigjohnthomas]

the human di pump
Five quid