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Postby jerryv » Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:10 pm

Hi all, in a bit of a pickle. Halfway through a road trip from Oxford up to Edinburgh and back and the damm thing has broke down. Went up no problem at all, but on the way back the engin has just died. It was driving along as nice as you like then there was a very quick hiccup, so quick I thought it could have been a bump in the road. 10 minutes later it starts really missing and loosing all power. And now won’t start at all. No smoke, no bangs or rattles. Still got electric to dash, no warning lights, , starter motor spins very well and from what I can make out with the very few tools I have with me, diesel is getting too injectors but they look electric so possibly not opening???? Any ideas where to start looking would be much appreciated.
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Re: Transit Mk7 2011 2.4. 100/350

Postby knobby1 » Tue Jan 22, 2019 9:54 pm

All Mk7's have electronic injectors....Hmmm, might have air in the fuel system. If fuel pressure is low the PCM won't energize the injectors. Pop the fuel filter off and see if it's close to full, if not you may have an air leak upstream of the filter. Leakback O-rings are worth checking too.
Have you had the codes read..??

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Re: Transit Mk7 2011 2.4. 100/350

Postby jerryv » Wed Jan 23, 2019 1:27 pm

Bit of an update. Been plugged into computer and not showing a single fault. Fuel is getting too injectors and back through return pipe. Coughes and farts with a quick squirt of easy start(not my idea by the way). Apparently both crank position and cam position sensors are working but not synced. A new cam chain was fitted about a month ago and were like a pair of old women checking, double checking, correct use of torque wrench, every thing by the book. Still no sign of engine wanting to fire up. Something stupid or am I looking at a new top end possibly???
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Re: Transit Mk7 2011 2.4. 100/350

Postby knobby1 » Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:40 am

jerryv wrote:Bit of an update. Been plugged into computer and not showing a single fault. Fuel is getting too injectors and back through return pipe. Coughes and farts with a quick squirt of easy start(not my idea by the way). Apparently both crank position and cam position sensors are working but not synced. A new cam chain was fitted about a month ago and were like a pair of old women checking, double checking, correct use of torque wrench, every thing by the book. Still no sign of engine wanting to fire up. Something stupid or am I looking at a new top end possibly???


Hmmm....the de-synch of cam and crank doesn't sound too good....I wonder if the chain has jumped..??

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Re: Transit Mk7 2011 2.4. 100/350

Postby jerryv » Thu Jan 24, 2019 11:16 am

knobby1 wrote:
jerryv wrote:Bit of an update. Been plugged into computer and not showing a single fault. Fuel is getting too injectors and back through return pipe. Coughes and farts with a quick squirt of easy start(not my idea by the way). Apparently both crank position and cam position sensors are working but not synced. A new cam chain was fitted about a month ago and were like a pair of old women checking, double checking, correct use of torque wrench, every thing by the book. Still no sign of engine wanting to fire up. Something stupid or am I looking at a new top end possibly???


Hmmm....the de-synch of cam and crank doesn't sound too good....I wonder if the chain has jumped..??

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Its done 1600 miles since new cam chain kit was fitted. It wasn’t being thrashed, just sat at a very sedate 60-65mph on the motorway. I suppose something could have failed. Should there be a lot of noise or a definite clatter and knocking when the cam timeing shifts enough to wreck the top end?
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Re: Transit Mk7 2011 2.4. 100/350

Postby knobby1 » Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:58 pm

jerryv wrote:Its done 1600 miles since new cam chain kit was fitted. It wasn’t being thrashed, just sat at a very sedate 60-65mph on the motorway. I suppose something could have failed. Should there be a lot of noise or a definite clatter and knocking when the cam timeing shifts enough to wreck the top end?


Anything is possible, if it's just one tooth, they run poorly and often don't do a great deal of damage, anymore and the rockers and rocker ladder will suffer badly.
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Re: Transit Mk7 2011 2.4. 100/350

Postby v8dave » Thu Jan 24, 2019 10:02 pm

If there is no sync it will not start - its a deliberate choice in the ecu programming.
The only way around it is to re-establish sync.
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Re: Transit Mk7 2011 2.4. 100/350

Postby jerryv » Tue Feb 05, 2019 7:08 pm

v8dave wrote:If there is no sync it will not start - its a deliberate choice in the ecu programming.
The only way around it is to re-establish sync.


Right, been on to the garage that is doing the job (it broke down 250miles away so couldn't stay with it) and after inspection, the tensioner had failed and timeing had jumped a couple of teeth.
Luckerly no damage was done to the rocker gear. New tensioner fitted, retimed and double checked, new crank sensor fitted, cam sensor working. It will spin over and run on easystart but won't fire up. For some reason its still showing as not synced. Any ideas as to what it might be, its being a real PITA.

p.s. all info ive passed on is second hand from what the garage told me
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Re: Transit Mk7 2011 2.4. 100/350

Postby knobby1 » Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:30 pm

jerryv wrote:
v8dave wrote:If there is no sync it will not start - its a deliberate choice in the ecu programming.
The only way around it is to re-establish sync.


Right, been on to the garage that is doing the job (it broke down 250miles away so couldn't stay with it) and after inspection, the tensioner had failed and timeing had jumped a couple of teeth.
Luckerly no damage was done to the rocker gear. New tensioner fitted, retimed and double checked, new crank sensor fitted, cam sensor working. It will spin over and run on easystart but won't fire up. For some reason its still showing as not synced. Any ideas as to what it might be, its being a real PITA.

p.s. all info ive passed on is second hand from what the garage told me


As v8dave said...if it has no sync, it will never start. Just make sure the inlet cam isn't twisted or something silly hasn't happened.

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Re: Transit Mk7 2011 2.4. 100/350

Postby bambi mk 1 » Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:37 pm

The crank timing pin man not be in the correct hole :wink: Btw what timing chain kit did you use :?: If it was FAI than call it FIA fook it away or you will be in the same mess in another few weeks :shock:
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Re: Transit Mk7 2011 2.4. 100/350

Postby yaroslav » Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:59 pm

Good evening. If the engine is running at a fast start, the repair could be damaged plates on the flywheel (for Siemens-Continental fuel system).
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Re: Transit Mk7 2011 2.4. 100/350

Postby knobby1 » Tue Feb 05, 2019 11:05 pm

yaroslav wrote:Good evening. If the engine is running at a fast start, the repair could be damaged plates on the flywheel (for Siemens-Continental fuel system).


It's a Denso fuel system.

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Re: Transit Mk7 2011 2.4. 100/350

Postby bambi mk 1 » Tue Feb 05, 2019 11:11 pm

knobby1 wrote:
yaroslav wrote:Good evening. If the engine is running at a fast start, the repair could be damaged plates on the flywheel (for Siemens-Continental fuel system).


It's a Denso fuel system.

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It can happen on both systems Knobby ,the pick up ring can come apart :wink:
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Re: Transit Mk7 2011 2.4. 100/350

Postby knobby1 » Tue Feb 05, 2019 11:14 pm

bambi mk 1 wrote:
knobby1 wrote:
yaroslav wrote:Good evening. If the engine is running at a fast start, the repair could be damaged plates on the flywheel (for Siemens-Continental fuel system).


It's a Denso fuel system.

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It can happen on both systems Knobby ,the pick up ring can come apart :wink:


Fair call Sir.. :D

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