Mk6 engine problem - TDDi Pump problem

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Update:
Forescan will only connect using "demo mode" which apparently means you can't clear codes. I will delete the USB device tomorrow and download updated drivers

[knobby1]

Which version of Forscan are you using..??

Lord Knobrot

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my apologies for my ignorance, this diagnostic stuff is all new to me.
this morning i installed the correct drivers for forscan and have the correct codes now -

Code: P1664 - FIP malfunction

Module: Powertrain Control Module

Diagnostic Trouble Code details

FIP malfunction

This DTC may be caused by :

FIP timing chain tension

PCM

FIP

Carry out the CAN Test.
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Code: P1564 - FIP requesting reduced fuelling mode

Module: Powertrain Control Module

Diagnostic Trouble Code details

FIP requesting reduced fuelling mode

The FIP has identified a fault that may cause damage to the engine

If any other DTCs are present address these first.
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when i try and reset DTC's they reappear on the list instantly.

[Altransit]

This may be worth a read

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=180857

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This may be worth a read

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=180857

That doesn't look good, potentially the recon pump is fried then

This is the message I received from the seller -
"Hello,
I am sorry to hear that!

The issue might be the coding. Do you have the immobilizer? All pumps have saved the codes from the old car they were on, and once fitted on another car might through out error and stop the engine, as ECU does not recognize it.
The pump should be uncoded to zeros, so it can be fitted on your car and the electronic confirms your car.

Let us know."

Does this sound plausible and how do I do the necessary programming using forscan?

Thankyou.

[Altransit]

I'm no expert, but that does sound like bull**it to me. If the pump had been "virginised" which a refurb should be, there would be no pre-existing codes in the pump, but in any case, you would have deleted any old codes with forscan.
Immobiliser fault would stop the engine even turning over, and the LED would flash furiously, eventually flashing a 2 digit fault code.

To my thinking, the seller has either left the old EDU on the refurbed pump, or the new EDU is faulty, .................unless anyone has a better idea

[Altransit]

Just another thought, reading back. Did you re-check the timing (chain) after fitting the new pump

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Timing seemed OK, I have since tried adjusting it slightly via the slots on the timing sprocket but still no joy.
What's the procedure for programming pumps using forscan? I'm picking up a pump from a local transit breaker tomorrow but I have no idea how to code it.

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So I tried to code the pump and towards the end it says
"Module initialization is not complete.
More than 1 cycle of the ignition maybe required to complete the module reset.
Do you wish to try again?"

No matter how many times I click yes and it asks for ignition to be off it just comes up with the same message!

[Altransit]

We need someone who has done this, and I haven't, so hopefully, someone will chip in.

Just a thought though, Vantuner always plugs in a battery smart charger when he's coding, in case the voltage drops too low, would that be worth a try

[karl]

So I tried to code the pump and towards the end it says
"Module initialization is not complete.
More than 1 cycle of the ignition maybe required to complete the module reset.
Do you wish to try again?"

No matter how many times I click yes and it asks for ignition to be off it just comes up with the same message!

never used ford scan

but a good mobile mechanic with a good quality diagnostics could do this no problem takes me about 1/2 hour using my snap-on diagnostics

http://blog.eobdtool.co.uk/ford-transit ... -vs-focom/

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We need someone who has done this, and I haven't, so hopefully, someone will chip in.

Just a thought though, Vantuner always plugs in a battery smart charger when he's coding, in case the voltage drops too low, would that be worth a try

Just trying to find someone with a battery charger now so I can try again as the battery is quite low to be fair.

If I get a used pump locally, can I simply plug it into the vans wiring harness without physically fitting the pump to code it to the pcm? I don't see why not but just want someone else's opinion before I do it. Its just so I don't spend ages fitting a pump only to find it won't code.

[Altransit]

I'm sure you can, but as I've said, I'm no expert.

I wish that someone who's done this would pipe up with some help

[ommstar]

I have been thru this b4 when i bought my van not going ,had jumped teeth on timing and shot the cam carrier away from the head , new head and timing gear fixed that , but it wouldnt go , only for a few revs and stop, i pulled my hair out for ages, then i found a post on this site somewhere that advised if you remove the crank sensor you need to replace it. As the tolerance is very small and sets itself when intially done up.(bloody silly idea)
The reason they go for a few revs is or could be the reason is that computor is using known data that works and then when switching to sensors it fails, anyhowz replacing that sensors and i was good to go.
Also moving the adjustment at the pump would throw the whole timing out as its very crucile to get correct
So if it where me i would check your timing again using the special tool, or one made exactly like it , if you dont you also run the risk of getting timing wrong ,i done that as well ,as my van is nth sth and after removing sensor i thought i could just feel for the hole in the flywheel , as you cant just look down the hole....WRONG
,i found using a mirror the tooth to use has an even smaller recess ,ie for the tool, that needs to be lined up when the dowels holes in the pump etc.
So if you havent done that i wuold suggest try that b4 spending too much more
I tell yah you gotta be a computer mind reader to try and get to bottom of this issue using scan tools
They aint much help , i use a lauch to interrogate mine they tell you whats wrong but not why .then confuse you with other codes that may or may not be associated, i guess thats where experience kicks in
Sorry for the rant but i have been there and its not easy for the diy or even qualified mechanics
Good luck
P.s someone

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Pump has been sent back and I will be ordering one locally tomorrow. When I told him about the fiasco I've had he said "let me guess, 2 codes came up, p1664 and p1564. We used to call these the codes of death and is pretty surefire way of telling the pump or module is knackered"

He then went on to say they are a terrible design and some people have fitted 2 or 3 "reconditioned" pumps before the engine would start.

So fingers crossed this next one works...