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Re: Mark6 2.4 Duratorq tddi Fuel faults

Postby knobby1 » Wed May 25, 2022 7:54 pm

Damnthevan wrote:Thanks, in that case it is part of the reconditioned unit I purchased from one of the best Diesel pump reconditioning specialists in the UK. I would be astounded if that was faulty. At £702 it wasn't cheap.


As mentioned....faulty timing solenoids are quite common, I would not be "astounded" if it was faulty. When some places refurbish pumps they often fit new parts inside the pump if required....but just refit the original solenoids and EDC's, there's not much you can do with them, they either work or they don't. There are people around who repair the EDC's but I don't know of any who repair the timing solenoids.

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Re: Mark6 2.4 Duratorq tddi Fuel faults

Postby richardstubbs » Thu May 26, 2022 10:29 am

Well, P0149 & P1564 are related to timing; they are a timing error and requesting reduced fuelling to prevent engine damage. That will make it go slowly. The most common reason is the timing solenoid, but if it was present before and after a new pump I think you're being reasonable in ruling it out, at least in the first instance. It's possible that the new pump has the same fault but not all that likely, so I'd be inclined to look elsewhere first. If it says that the timing is out, the most likely cause it that the timing is, in fact, out.

There aren't many things that affect the timing, but it doesn't have to move much for the PCM to enter that protection mode. I'd be thinking about firstly checking the timing (with proper timing tools - they're dead cheap) to see if it's exactly right, and adjusting it if it isn't. If it is even slightly out then it'll generate those codes when it tries to go to either full advance or full retard, e.g. down a hill on the overrun. If it is right already, then you might need to pull the timing cover off to check the tensioner and chain. Does it rattle from a cold start? If so then the chain and tensioner will need changing.

It's also possible that there is more than one fault, i.e. the timing error is there all the time but there is also a fuel supply fault which is making it stop. They are not always easy to find, but it's really about following the pipework and looking for leaks. Good luck with that.
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Re: Mark6 2.4 Duratorq tddi Fuel faults

Postby Damnthevan » Thu May 26, 2022 6:50 pm

Many thanks for the replies. I should have mentioned the chain snapped 2 years ago and was replaced. If the timing was out I'm sure I would have had problems before now?
What is doing my head in is the entire engine was replaced in 2016 with a reconditioned unit. The garage must have done something wrong for the chain to snap 4 years later with only 19,000 miles on the clock! Now this! I love the van hence the financial input but I was willing it to fall off the back of the recovery truck last time as the driver only belted one side on!
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Re: Mark6 2.4 Duratorq tddi Fuel faults

Postby marc1234567 » Thu May 26, 2022 11:14 pm

Fault codes are P0149 Fuel Dosing and P1564 Injection Pump ECU. Highly unlikely to be the Injectikn pump ECU but mechanic said it could be an intermittent wiring fault between the pump and engine ECU. He also advised me not to run it on less than half a tank so I've filled up. Last 2 breakdowns were coming down fairly steep hills ?[/quote]

Ok, the 90 TDDi has a VP-30 fuel pump & P0149 & P1564 point to the fuel pump timing solenoid....definitely check the wiring to it before condemning it....but it is a very common issue for the TDDi's. The solenoid can be replaced reasonably easily.

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I seem to recall hearing the vp30 being unreliable and prone to failure the vp44 is more reliable.
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Re: Mark6 2.4 Duratorq tddi Fuel faults

Postby knobby1 » Fri May 27, 2022 7:42 am

marc1234567 wrote:I seem to recall hearing the vp30 being unreliable and prone to failure the vp44 is more reliable.


He has a 90Ps engine, the VP-44 is not fitted to the 90ps engine, only the 115, 120 & 125 have the VP-44.

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Re: Mark6 2.4 Duratorq tddi Fuel faults

Postby marc1234567 » Fri May 27, 2022 8:05 am

knobby1 wrote:
marc1234567 wrote:I seem to recall hearing the vp30 being unreliable and prone to failure the vp44 is more reliable.


He has a 90Ps engine, the VP-44 is not fitted to the 90ps engine, only the 115, 120 & 125 have the VP-44.

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it was just a wondering if it were true though, I noticed he had 90 and I guessed that was vp30 but was wondering if vp44 were indeed better than vp30 or do they fail aswell often.
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Re: Mark6 2.4 Duratorq tddi Fuel faults

Postby knobby1 » Fri May 27, 2022 9:30 pm

marc1234567 wrote:it was just a wondering if it were true though, I noticed he had 90 and I guessed that was vp30 but was wondering if vp44 were indeed better than vp30 or do they fail aswell often.


The pumps themselves rarely fail mechanically, it's the electronic gubbins bolted to them which usually fail first.

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