Injector inspection using a Canon R6

[blown up engine]

Hi, Just a quick post, blown engine number 4 cylinder injector images, using a camera with a macro lens, cropped and resized. one nozzle is blocked. mk 7 2.2 euro 5 looks like 7-8 holes not 6.

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image above shows blocked hole.

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Kate

[metalworker0]

i think you can buy on ebay .....not sure what is what as regards euro 5 or 4 - what is what system wise

a quick look =- set of tips come in at between £50 and £60 compared with cheapest set of remanufactured injectors at £99 or brand new set at £328 these will be chineseium ford ones £500 plus each!

You'll have to wait for other members here to confirm which ones you need or if tips on their own will fit yours or are a suitable fix .or can you take them apart and clean. or perhaps not worth risk as engine blew up with therm .


BTW - does a recon / or re-manufactured engine not come with them ?

all the best.mark

[blown up engine]

i think you can buy on ebay .....not sure what is what as regards euro 5 or 4 - what is what system wise

a quick look =- set of tips come in at between £50 and £60 compared with cheapest set of remanufactured injectors at £99 or brand new set at £328 these will be chineseium ford ones £500 plus each!

You'll have to wait for other members here to confirm which ones you need or if tips on their own will fit yours or are a suitable fix .or can you take them apart and clean. or perhaps not worth risk as engine blew up with therm .


BTW - does a recon / or re-manufactured engine not come with them ?

all the best.mark

Hi Mark, yes we have been chatting about the injectors, what to do, can't afford new ones, so a recon set may have to be.

The new engine is a remastered so comes as a block only, no parts added sadly.

[metalworker0]

Yes when looking at prices of engines -- its something to consider is if with injectors ..as they can add up to more than the price of the engine

you'll have to do some deep thinking, listen to advice here ..

what do you do ....new china injectors / recon injectors / brand new branded

or find recon engine with them in if there is such

or ...bound to be more options like take injectors to a reconditioner etc . diesel specialist workshop ..may offer the service

these guys here will give you advice ..as some been there and got theb t-shirt

know its old thread ....but lots of ideas who to use on this thread

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=51920

all the best.mark

[knobby1]

Hi Mark, yes we have been chatting about the injectors, what to do, can't afford new ones, so a recon set may have to be.

The new engine is a remastered so comes as a block only, no parts added sadly.

You can indeed buy new tips...but what are you going to do with them once you have them..??

You need specialist equipment to fit and test them.

Lord Knobrot

[blown up engine]

Yes when looking at prices of engines -- its something to consider is if with injectors ..as they can add up to more than the price of the engine

you'll have to do some deep thinking, listen to advice here ..

what do you do ....new china injectors / recon injectors / brand new branded

or find recon engine with them in if there is such

or ...bound to be more options like take injectors to a reconditioner etc . diesel specialist workshop ..may offer the service

these guys here will give you advice ..as some been there and got theb t-shirt

know its old thread ....but lots of ideas who to use on this thread

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=51920

at mo sending injectors away. not much i can do tbh.

all the best.mark

[tranmx2]

The images of the injector end indicate the rpm of the engine has been too low. Insuficient rpm with the vehicle being heavy. Sometimes known as slogging or flogging.
The engine is happier at 2000 rpm than at 1000 when under load. Camper vans often look overloaded with uneven weight distribution. Dragging its ass. Sqaushed under inflated tyres/overloaded.
It is better to go up a hill all the way in 2nd gear at 2000 rpm than in 3rd at 1200 rpm. With the right gear and the right rpm the engine sounds right it is delivering sufficient power to overcome the load and situation.
The injector images indicate partly burnt fuel due seemingly to low engine rpm, loaded engine. The engine is working too hard.
A holed piston can be due to unburnt fuel and too little fuel, incorrect timing of the fuel injection. Slogging the engine is generating these.
Carbon build up due to unburnt fuel.
The carbon build up can contribute to a holed piston - due to hot spots forming, fuel saturation in specific areas which can cause pre ignition.

Pre electronification of diesel injection the injector fired at about 3000 psi. At 2727 rpm the engine in the 2012 has an injector pressure of 16988 psi.
At 3000 psi the atomised deisel can enter your skin.
Pre electronification injectors were stripped, cleaned, and set using a pressure device to check for injection pressure, pattern and leak back. The internal parts were a married fit. The clearance was very small in tenths of a thousanth of an inch. The holes in the end of which there were 3 or 4 could be cleaned with a wire. Some older injectors had one hole.

The Siemens Continental injectors fitted on the 2012 E5 2.2 Transit do not need to be programmed into the PCM. There is no number on the top of the injectors.

It is neccesary to get the correct injector(s) or parts, a need to know what one can do.

[blown up engine]

The images of the injector end indicate the rpm of the engine has been too low. Insuficient rpm with the vehicle being heavy. Sometimes known as slogging or flogging.
The engine is happier at 2000 rpm than at 1000 when under load. Camper vans often look overloaded with uneven weight distribution. Dragging its ass. Sqaushed under inflated tyres/overloaded.
It is better to go up a hill all the way in 2nd gear at 2000 rpm than in 3rd at 1200 rpm. With the right gear and the right rpm the engine sounds right it is delivering sufficient power to overcome the load and situation.
The injector images indicate partly burnt fuel due seemingly to low engine rpm, loaded engine. The engine is working too hard.
A holed piston can be due to unburnt fuel and too little fuel, incorrect timing of the fuel injection. Slogging the engine is generating these.
Carbon build up due to unburnt fuel.
The carbon build up can contribute to a holed piston - due to hot spots forming, fuel saturation in specific areas which can cause pre ignition.

Pre electronification of diesel injection the injector fired at about 3000 psi. At 2727 rpm the engine in the 2012 has an injector pressure of 16988 psi.
At 3000 psi the atomised deisel can enter your skin.
Pre electronification injectors were stripped, cleaned, and set using a pressure device to check for injection pressure, pattern and leak back. The internal parts were a married fit. The clearance was very small in tenths of a thousandth of an inch. The holes in the end of which there were 3 or 4 could be cleaned with a wire. Some older injectors had one hole.

The Siemens Continental injectors fitted on the 2012 E5 2.2 Transit do not need to be programmed into the PCM. There is no number on the top of the injectors.

It is neccesary to get the correct injector(s) or parts, a need to know what one can do.

hahah, what you said there made me laugh, you got it all wrong. engine blow up at 80 mph in 5th gear clearing it out. mines lighter than standard due to me converting it, this motorhome does 115 mph tested by myself, i bought this van to be used and not driven like an old fart. not middle class lol i drive it like a solen it.

there's a cleaning method which i can't do, not enough tools, you mark the injector both sides, so its lined up, undue, clean and check the nozzle end. people using a simple tubing that's sealed one end, filled with fuel or brake cleaner, wire then to 12 volt and get the thing to fire. or use air blowing throw the nozzle.

[tranmx2]

Contrafibulations on your alleged achievements.

[T350camper]

Interesting information about low rpm causing issues on campers in particular. Mine is fairly heavy (Auto Sleeper's have substantial kit) and I rarely feel the need to rev the engine much. Having said that, the 135bhp 2.4 lump, although standard seems to have bags of torque and never feels stressed. I do change down as soon as the engine begins to labour at all, but then I think the diff ratio is so low that even the high gears are not really high

If I do boot it, there's no smoke from the exhaust (not like the Renault Master horsebox we once had...the world disappeared in a cloud of black and several species of tree went extinct if we overtook something! )

[blown up engine]

Interesting information about low rpm causing issues on campers in particular. Mine is fairly heavy (Auto Sleeper's have substantial kit) and I rarely feel the need to rev the engine much. Having said that, the 135bhp 2.4 lump, although standard seems to have bags of torque and never feels stressed. I do change down as soon as the engine begins to labour at all, but then I think the diff ratio is so low that even the high gears are not really high

If I do boot it, there's no smoke from the exhaust (not like the Renault Master horsebox we once had...the world disappeared in a cloud of black and several species of tree went extinct if we overtook something! )

That guy was guessing, thinking everyone drives slow. mines a motorhome, 3.5 tn 23 feet long and with a massive overhead cab bed to push through the air yet it gives sprinters a run for their money lol. its a biker thing.
mine has a wide gear box so 6th gear at 1800 rpm is about 90 depending on conditions, mind you is frigging nuts, worse than riding bikes at 180. i don't drive like an old fart just yet haha.

[blown up engine]

Contrafibulations on your alleged achievements.

Alleged? you calling me a liar?

[YellowVMan]

Hey kate,

Is that you in Moffat, I saw your van on your channel. You still there? any luck? your MH has the coolest solar panel setup ever, May go the pv on the side for the winter. Got my van dragged back by Westerns recovery. Now back around my brothers, all thought it was a popped engine but a head gasket. That dickead at MCM said it was blown. Thought that bloody car park was becoming a transit graveyard. Is that other transit still there lol? and did any more turn up?

Went on your livestream this morning but your internet cut out. Love those rants, you don't give a sh*t love it.

Ps my van will be fixed in around 6 weeks time when I get the cash.

PSS you doing more live streams tomorrow?

[DanMK7uk]

Nothing to do with driving style, if it was we would hear of euro 4 failures as often.

Its a patterned failure of the euro 5 fuel system.

Dont let it get to you, put your energy into getting it sorted.

How anyone can make an assessment on driving style influencing it without tearing the motor down ?
Load of nonsense lol.

When is the new engine going in ?

Hope your keeping positive.

Following your situation being a fellow van lifer.



Cheers

[blown up engine]

Hey kate,

Is that you in Moffat, I saw your van on your channel. You still there? any luck? your MH has the coolest solar panel setup ever, May go the pv on the side for the winter. Got my van dragged back by Westerns recovery. Now back around my brothers, all thought it was a popped engine but a head gasket. That dickead at MCM said it was blown. Thought that bloody car park was becoming a transit graveyard. Is that other transit still there lol? and did any more turn up?

Went on your livestream this morning but your internet cut out. Love those rants, you don't give a sh*t love it.

Ps my van will be fixed in around 6 weeks time when I get the cash.

PSS you doing more live streams tomorrow?

sh*t me You ok?

Forgot your name sorry. pissing taken up residence in this car park lmfao, 3 weeks today, mind you i did covert this van to sit like a house and its doing its job spot on. Yeah the only van in the world with a solay set up like mine. Maxium solar power is 48 amps in mid winter on a summer day and a slightly less amount due to high panel temps in the summer. I highly recommend side solay as roof pv doesn't work in with unless you tilt the rpv. mine tlts 4 ways as you know.

Wsterns took my van to Glasgow after that bus took the roof off 27 grand damage and the bus company want to scrap the van, said no way in hell as it took ages to covert, they did a cash payout. lucky you got famile mate to go back to, him stuck, going it alone. in dumfries tomorrow as dwp stopped my disability benefits, bunch of starm morons mate. lucky git just a blown head gasket. me needs new engine costing around 6 grand all in. i,m f*** mate no money left.

haha you met willy then? he locked me in the garage the day the engine blow up, hes off his head. everyone hates him big time. last time i ever go in that garage.

You was first in the car park i think, then the other transit, then me, after you was towed, a low loader with a similar motorhome to mine pulled in. what day was that friday i think? local machine turns up said did i see that motorhome like mine i said yeah. Saturday a bmw broken down, sunday morning another transit camper van pulled next to me with engine warning light on, later sunday a coras towed away by westerns. This car park is like jinxed.

when vans are fixed meet up with tommy yeah? need a laugh after this sh*t.

KJ