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Do I need a 6 speed 'box?

Postby fickladwivatranny » Mon Dec 08, 2008 10:56 pm

I have an 04 plate, 125 rwd xlwb and always carry full load (always 3.5t gvw, sometimes nearly 4t!). I am looking to reduce revs at cruising speeds of approx 70-75mph and wonder if the 6 speed gearbox is the best way to go about it?
I find the engine is too noisy and I don't think it should be doing over 3500 revs at this speed!
I could increase the bhp to something like 135 or even 140 if I talk nicely to MartynX(!) but would I achieve what I want? Or should I be looking to change the dif ratios? I do not want the low speeds to suffer whilst I carry heavy loads.
Any help would be appreciated!
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Re: Do I need a 6 speed 'box?

Postby MrMPuk » Mon Dec 08, 2008 10:57 pm

The 5 speed and 6 speed box will be doing exactly the same revs in top gear as they are the same ratio.
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Re: Do I need a 6 speed 'box?

Postby BigNeil » Mon Dec 08, 2008 10:58 pm

i would say avoid having 4ton in the back as those nice vosa people do not like it !!
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Re: Do I need a 6 speed 'box?

Postby fickladwivatranny » Mon Dec 08, 2008 11:25 pm

MrMPuk wrote:The 5 speed and 6 speed box will be doing exactly the same revs in top gear as they are the same ratio.


Thanks. Does this sound a normal rate of revs then at that speed? How could I reduce the revs?
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Re: Do I need a 6 speed 'box?

Postby Luke » Mon Dec 08, 2008 11:26 pm

yuor better off swapping the diff - do you know what ratio you have now :?:
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Re: Do I need a 6 speed 'box?

Postby fickladwivatranny » Mon Dec 08, 2008 11:32 pm

Luke wrote:yuor better off swapping the diff - do you know what ratio you have now :?:


I have absolutely no idea what it is - except I'm confident it will be the standard factory fitted one for this model if that's any help?
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Re: Do I need a 6 speed 'box?

Postby fickladwivatranny » Mon Dec 08, 2008 11:43 pm

BigNeil wrote:i would say avoid having 4ton in the back as those nice vosa people do not like it !!


Those very nice VOSA people have already pulled me in and I weighed in (on that particular day!!!) at 3570kg.
With just a mere 70 kg over with no passengers, I was very shocked indeed at being overweight!
It was suggested that I ditch some of my load when I was home and abide by the law in future. A written weight ticket was all I received and an hour later I was on my way again - after having a "full routine inspection sir!" I even had to describe the style and colour of my underwear.
Very nice VOSA people shouldn't have a bad word said against them...
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Re: Do I need a 6 speed 'box?

Postby Terry » Tue Dec 09, 2008 6:33 pm

It would appear those very nice people at VOSA neglected to mention there is a 10% 'allowance' for overweight, so 10% of your 3750 equates to 375, so you were well within the 10% at 70 kgs, hence no ticket.
Doing this sort of thing all day , you wouldn't expect them to forget a silly little thing like correctly informing you of the law, WOULD YOU ????????????????????????
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Re: Do I need a 6 speed 'box?

Postby Mike » Tue Dec 09, 2008 7:16 pm

MrMPuk wrote:The 5 speed and 6 speed box will be doing exactly the same revs in top gear as they are the same ratio.


People said that about the 6spd box in the FWD (it's not true), is it actually the case with the RWD boxes?
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Re: Do I need a 6 speed 'box?

Postby MrMPuk » Tue Dec 09, 2008 7:18 pm

Mike Spence wrote:
MrMPuk wrote:The 5 speed and 6 speed box will be doing exactly the same revs in top gear as they are the same ratio.

People said that about the 6spd box in the FWD (it's not true), is it actually the case with the RWD boxes?

Yes and it is the case with the FWD box as well but that has a transaxle doesn't it.
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Re: Do I need a 6 speed 'box?

Postby Mike » Tue Dec 09, 2008 7:22 pm

MrMPuk wrote:
Mike Spence wrote:
MrMPuk wrote:The 5 speed and 6 speed box will be doing exactly the same revs in top gear as they are the same ratio.

People said that about the 6spd box in the FWD (it's not true), is it actually the case with the RWD boxes?

Yes and it is the case with the FWD box as well but that has a transaxle doesn't it.


No idea, I just know that a very vocal person on here claimed that the 6spd fwd would be doing the same revs at 70mph as the 5spd would.
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Re: Do I need a 6 speed 'box?

Postby MrMPuk » Tue Dec 09, 2008 7:25 pm

Mike Spence wrote:No idea, I just know that a very vocal person on here claimed that the 6spd fwd would be doing the same revs at 70mph as the 5spd would.

All depends what axle ratio you have. Who was this vocal person?
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Re: Do I need a 6 speed 'box?

Postby gpz900r » Sun Feb 22, 2009 12:45 pm

at 3000 rpm my 135 6spd is doing nearly 90mph {on the autobahn of course}
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Re: Do I need a 6 speed 'box?

Postby Victer van man » Sun Feb 22, 2009 11:07 pm

gpz900r wrote:at 3000 rpm my 135 6spd is doing nearly 90mph {on the autobahn of course}

My 140's the same
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Re: Do I need a 6 speed 'box?

Postby winterheating » Mon Feb 23, 2009 8:57 pm

been looking at the ford configurator,

http://www.ford.co.uk/SBE/Configureyour ... 4903584303
and it seems,


4.23 85ps fwd ONLY

4.36 or 4.93 115ps/140ps FWD

3.73 or 4.23 in 100ps/115ps/140ps RWD 6 speed on the 100ps ONLY.

4.78 or 5.11 5 speed RWD 100ps ONLY

3.58 or 4.10 200ps ONLY

5.44 Petrol ONLY

Does anyone have the same info for the MK6';s :?: :?: :?:
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