reconditioned injectors

[ljl]

Hi All

My van 04 135 rwd tdci with 70k miles.
It has been playing up for a while i took it to ford and they told me the injectors were fkked to replace them would be £1400.
I know this would be the best option but have also found out that i can get them reconditioned and fitted again for about half that.
What do you the professionals among you think about reconditioned injectors are they just a half a job or a money saver .
Also can i buy them elsewhere to save time.
Thanks in advance

[stuarttransit]

Hi,
That is a absolute shocking price.
I stay in motherwell, and there is a excellent diesel specialist in east kilbryde called Argyle Diesel.
I was charged £230 to recondition and fit all the injectors on my 100 / 280 FWD.
You can buy brand new injectors from euro car parts for i think it was £106 each.
It is worth while doing them your self.

Regards
Stuart

[transitgeoff]

yeh but not tdci ones that he needs yours are totally different tddi

[stuarttransit]

lol, sorry never even noticed. My mistake. Your best bet would be to speak to a diesel specialist anyway. I dont know how prices vary with the tdci ones.
regards
stuart

[belly]

Hi re-con injectors are fine as long as there done properly by a specialist that knows what there doing and also has the correct equipment! preferably a delphi agent! i got mine done by a mate at http://www.pandadiesel.co.uk/ they've got all the correct equpiment at a cost of ££££££££ plus a clean room due to modern injectors having such fine tolerances and lots of small bits mine weren't that bad but he still gave me replacements on an exchange basis and told me how you can get cheaper ones on ebay etc etc but not all the components get replaced! cost cutting and tools etc etc, he frequently gets jobs from people that have bought and fitted these cheaper injectors to find there not done right and the customer pretty much has to fork out again I did mine because im fussy and had a slight hesitation on idle but wanted it right i paid £160 per injector and yeh unfortunately 135s do seem to kill injectors! but the pumps are cheaper than tddi's and im finding mine really good on fuel and she flys

[ljl]

Hi
Thanks so far .
I've been to see a guy about reconditioning my injectors and he said that although the fault codes say injector 1 it could also be the fuel filter housing or the throttle pedal, he has had the problem before and this has solved it .two people have also said that the local branch of ford are notorious for doing work that aint needed.
Who is right ?
I've spent £100 getting codes read and I am no futher on
I understand its hard to be exact but ffs .

[rallymaggot]

hi.
do or get a leak back test done,you should spot a bad one quite easy,i allways fit ford exchange injectors @ 198 each,bit dearer but it is henrys own and if you get probs, fire the van at them!

[winterheating]

if you do find a delhpi agent as belly says, they will generate a new injector code instead of using one thats on the injector after replacing parts, and if all parts are replaced it is £160 instead of £90 if only half a job is done as said.
if a fault has been logged with a cylinder its highly unlikely it will be fuel related, if you had air or restriction you would get undesired rail pressure.
a cylinder balance check and simple leak off test would identify the problem, as said above.
but to save yourself any hassle, just get the full set done, check your tank and lines, make sure you have the correct TDCI filter, and dont allow any contamination onto new injectors at all. and get the injector codes correctly installed it makes all the difference.

[ljl]

Thanks for your help ,
I'am taking out the injectors on friday to get them checked £10 each and will take it from there if they are ok its back to the drawing board,if not gona get them reconed.I will post the outcome whatever it is .

[ljl]

Update ,only got the injectors out this morning took them to the agent and all 4 were gone.Two were leaking back and two were sticking,getting them reconed and back in wed or thur .
I hope this improves performance as well .
Thanks for all your replies.
I will post the codes I got and maybe help someone else

[winterheating]

Update ,only got the injectors out this morning took them to the agent and all 4 were gone.Two were leaking back and two were sticking,getting them reconed and back in wed or thur .
I hope this improves performance as well .
Thanks for all your replies.
I will post the codes I got and maybe help someone else

if you get new or correctly recon injectors it wont just improve performance it will drastically improve power and drive.

[ljl]

Well got injectors back in today and cleaned the egr valve when I was at it.
The van is going a whole lot better than it was I can now accelerate past 35,although the van is lazy and when the van is parked and I rev it, when it calms down to 700- 900 rpm it stalls slightly or even all together and glow plugs come on .There was a leak off pipe a bit loose so fixed it ,going to try it later .
Any ideas as to the stalling problem and the lazyness could this means the injectors need recoding? I put them back in in the order they came out.

[winterheating]

i take it you must have got original ones reconditioned.
and they didnt generate a new code.

i think when theres running problems the correction factor codes are ignored so they will need doing again anyway

if that makes no difference then theres still a fault with injector/s

coding the injectors should make a hell of a difference to correctly running ones.

with the glowplug light flashing and stalling the the rail pressure must be a mile from its tolerences so very much doubt coding will sort it. coding is a fine tune so should allready be somewhere near.

did you bother to chjeck fuel tank and check/change fuel filter to correct tdci one

if you take it straight back to the place that did them and ask to do a simple leak off test, it is the only way to check them.


when running right you should have instant throttle pedal response and it should pull very well from idle all the way up to 4.5k
not hac=ving to step right on pedal to get it going, and not having any amnount of turbo lag.

[winterheating]

this comes from mondeo forum.
After speaking to both Delphi and a large Delphi agent today, I think it may be worth passing on some info regarding reconditioning of TDCi injectors.

Hopefully this can be made a sticky as it is a question that comes up regularly.

After having my injectors reconditioned 18months ago by United Diesel, my injectors are now shot again. That is approx 20,000 miles for the injectors to fail. If truth be told, there was only the first 8-9 weeks when they ran well. After that the cold start smoke returned. Keith at United Diesel suggested I return them for him to recheck and after he suggested they were fine, even though the smoke was still present. The smoke has gradually increased on cold starts till there is an embarrising plume again. A few days ago, one of the injectors stopped working all together. United Diesel are not willing to correct any wrongs and suggest any failures will be down to parts used and should be taken up with the relevant manafacturer which could take anything upto and beyond 12 months. The price for 4 reconditioned was £460 that is £115 each.

At the time I had the injectors overhauled, I had the option of getting the job done by a local Delphi agent. The deciding factor against them was price. The Delphi agent wanted around £143 for each injector.

Today I spoke to another leading Delphi agent Merlin Diesel in Preston: http://www.merlindiesel.com/

Here is a full list of approved Delphi agents:
http://dieselaftermarket.delphi.com/NR/rdonlyres/B...

According to both Delphi and Merlin, any injector that is taken apart and overhauled should be put through one of their machines to give it a new 16 digit code along with checking that it works correctly within the parameters. If a new code is not used, the injector can fail prematurely. Merlin added that the 2 parts that are usually changed (nozzle and valve) aren't enough and that the valve sandwich plate should be changed as well. By doing this, they have had a massive reduction in failures.

The price for a reconditioned injector from Merlin is £115 + 15% VAT = £132 x 4 = £530. There is the fitting and recoding on top. Recoding should be around £40 as long as you don't go to a main dealer......fitting will vary on price. It is a 15 min job to remove and refit the injectors and in reality shouldn't cost anywhere near the £125 Ford charge.

If I knew 18months ago what I know now, there is no way I would have gone to a NON delphi agent to recondition my injectors. For the price difference it is worth a Delphi agent doing that bit extra and checking the injectors properly.

[ljl]

It is the tdci filter fitted I cleaned rail and pipes,the only thing I havent done yet is clean the tank thought the filter would keep me going till monday when I can get someone to do it.
I also used a local delphi agent and paid £110 each to recondition them.
I was thinking It might be an air problem from filter housing or the egr valve.
does the fault codes delete themselves when the faults arent present any more or do they need deleted