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BEFORE YOU BUY REPLACEMENT TYRES

Postby Lefty64 » Thu Nov 08, 2012 3:31 pm

Maybe this topic should qualify for a Sticky?

There are always posts on the MPG to expect from a Connect.

You could try checking out the new EU Tyre Labels on your next purchase, because this might be the answer to why some Connects are thirstier than others.
EU TYRE LABEL LAW - FOR ALL TYRES FROM 1ST NOVEMBER

1. Rolling Resistance (Classes A-C & E-G)

A class ‘A’ rated tyre gives a 7.5% improvement in fuel consumption over a ‘G’ rated tyre.

This calculates out at a saving of 6 Litres on an 80-litre tank using ‘A’ rated tyres for the same distance on ‘G’ rated tyres. This saving is linear throughout the 6 classes of tyres – so about 1.5% saving from one rating to the one below it.

To give some examples:-

A Connect (60-litre/13.2 gallon) tank which gives 46.5 mpg on ‘G’ rated tyres will have a range of 614 miles on a full tank ….. but a Connect on ‘A’ rated tyres will get 50.0 mpg on and a range of 660 miles

In effect the Connect’s 60-litre tank (13.2galls) becomes a 64.5-litre tank (14.2 galls)

By switching from ‘G’ rated tyres to ‘A’ rated tyres, at £1.45 a litre you can save £6.60 on each full tank of diesel.

On ‘G’ rated tyres - 10,000 miles at 46.5 mpg costs £1420

On ‘A’ rated tyres - 10,000 miles at 50.0 mpg costs £1320 - saving £100.


2. Wet Grip (Classes A – C and E – F)

The difference in braking distance can be up to 30% at 50 MPH – typically this is 18m between ‘A’ and ‘G’ rated tyres.


3. External Noise (3 bar levels, with a Decibel reading)

1 bar = at least 3 DB below future EU limit (rated at 68-69 Db)

2 bars = meets future EU limit (rated at 70-72 Db)

3 bars = meets current EU limit (rated at 73-75 Db)

Note: DB readings are a ratio not a scale. A tyre rated at ‘2 bars’ is twice as noisy as a tyre rated at ‘1 bar’.


Have a look at the ratings on replacement standard 195/65/R 15 Reinforced tyres from MYTRES.COM

http://www.mytyres.co.uk/cgi-bin/rshop. ... o_Seite=50

There are some really bad performers out there. BRIDGESTONE B390 and FIRESTONE MULTIHAWKS are terrible in the ratings, and are more expensive to buy too. Also, fatter tyres on low-profile tyres on 16" and 17" rims often give higher fuel consumption than the original tyre size.
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Re: BEFORE YOU BUY REPLACEMENT TYRES

Postby Adam_84 » Thu Nov 08, 2012 3:48 pm

That's good info above, just checked my tyres which are Dunlop sp Fast Response XL and they have two C ratings and 68db noise level :-)

http://www.mytyres.co.uk/cgi-bin/rshop. ... eifenlabel
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Re: BEFORE YOU BUY REPLACEMENT TYRES

Postby gt_addict » Thu Nov 08, 2012 4:09 pm

I'm looking at this and various winter tyres for my van and the best I can get is both C ratings. The current tyres I've got on are e and c rating I think. With standard tyres I would opt for a c or b rating for fuel consumption as I would've thought the best fuel economy tyres are a hard compound which would reduce the grip. Just something else to think about.
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Re: BEFORE YOU BUY REPLACEMENT TYRES

Postby valetech » Thu Nov 08, 2012 4:50 pm

am i reading this right? a connect van can do 614-660miles on a tank of fuel.if so both my connects must have a fuel leak
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Re: BEFORE YOU BUY REPLACEMENT TYRES

Postby CamsTrans » Thu Nov 08, 2012 5:24 pm

valetech wrote:am i reading this right? a connect van can do 614-660miles on a tank of fuel.if so both my connects must have a fuel leak


Might be possible at 45 mph on a slightly downhill 660 mile route :lol:
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Re: BEFORE YOU BUY REPLACEMENT TYRES

Postby GKandR4CH » Thu Nov 08, 2012 6:16 pm

valetech wrote:am i reading this right? a connect van can do 614-660miles on a tank of fuel.if so both my connects must have a fuel leak


LMFAO :D :D
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Re: BEFORE YOU BUY REPLACEMENT TYRES

Postby Lefty64 » Thu Nov 08, 2012 6:36 pm

GKandR4CH wrote:
valetech wrote:am i reading this right? a connect van can do 614-660miles on a tank of fuel.if so both my connects must have a fuel leak


LMFAO :D :D


I get 47 mpg from mine on OE Hankook Optimos (old line so no EU economy rating) so assuming they're a 'G' rating I used that mpg to show what improvement an 'A' rated tyre would give.

I'm replacing mine with the new Hankook line - Kinergy ECO K425 (rated 'B' 'B' 'A' - so a close second in the league table).

I'm more interested in saving money than anything else, so go easy on the pedal. That also means fast braking isn't an issue - maybe it is for you :?: :D
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Re: BEFORE YOU BUY REPLACEMENT TYRES

Postby Lefty64 » Thu Nov 08, 2012 6:45 pm

gt_addict wrote:I'm looking at this and various winter tyres for my van and the best I can get is both C ratings. The current tyres I've got on are e and c rating I think. With standard tyres I would opt for a c or b rating for fuel consumption as I would've thought the best fuel economy tyres are a hard compound which would reduce the grip. Just something else to think about.


I've looked at this myself, and it seems that Winter tyres are always rated one class lower than Summer tyres at least on fuel economy - so a 'C' is good.

They're a softer compound for better elasticity at cold temperatures, and have a wider tread - so they're grippier and their rolling resistance is higher - from what I can make out.
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Re: BEFORE YOU BUY REPLACEMENT TYRES

Postby valetech » Thu Nov 08, 2012 7:01 pm

so your saying your getting 620 miles out of a tank, you on drugs?

my connect will do that if i fill BOTH fuel tanks
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Re: BEFORE YOU BUY REPLACEMENT TYRES

Postby paul2012 » Thu Nov 08, 2012 8:13 pm

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Fuel ecconomy is not purely based on what tyres you have fitted.

There are several contributing factors.

1. Driving style
2. Weather conditions
3. Road Conditions
4. Engine bhp performance / gearbox / modifications
5. weight of vehicle (more fuel used when loaded)

I got 520 miles on a full tank of diesel, & that was with the van fully loaded (this was in July when I moved)

& thats on G rated tyres, So that works out about 38mpg it's doing which isn't too bad.

Thats on a long run - proberly use more diesel if touring around town, But I now live in the countryside 8)
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Re: BEFORE YOU BUY REPLACEMENT TYRES

Postby valetech » Thu Nov 08, 2012 8:45 pm

paul2012 wrote:
I got 520 miles on a full tank of diesel, & that was with the van fully loaded (this was in July when I moved).

& thats on G rated tyres


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Re: BEFORE YOU BUY REPLACEMENT TYRES

Postby barabas » Thu Nov 08, 2012 9:38 pm

Fuel saving tyres = bollocks imho :( I've got Michelin energysaver thingamabobs on my 11 plate 1.5 diesel Pug partner (don't ask) and it only does 40mpg. They also feel a bit twitchy too compared to the avons on my transit...
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Re: BEFORE YOU BUY REPLACEMENT TYRES

Postby GKandR4CH » Fri Nov 09, 2012 12:25 pm

I can confirm that I have jacked up the van, fully inspected the fuel tank and there is no damage or leaks.
I am lucky to get 300 - 350 miles on a tank. (60 litres) I've tried short and long journeys and the mileage is roughly the same.
So unless you guys are driving at a steady 20mph I haven't a clue how you obtained those figures.
Even in our ST that gets 300 miles to a tank.
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Re: BEFORE YOU BUY REPLACEMENT TYRES

Postby Lefty64 » Fri Nov 09, 2012 3:36 pm

paul2012 wrote::lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Fuel ecconomy is not purely based on what tyres you have fitted.

There are several contributing factors.

1. Driving style
2. Weather conditions
3. Road Conditions
4. Engine bhp performance / gearbox / modifications
5. weight of vehicle (more fuel used when loaded)

I got 520 miles on a full tank of diesel, & that was with the van fully loaded (this was in July when I moved)

& thats on G rated tyres, So that works out about 38mpg it's doing which isn't too bad.

Thats on a long run - proberly use more diesel if touring around town, But I now live in the countryside


Too true....... but the science says that no matter what the circumstances are, the mileage would be better on a different tyre rating. Reading the later posts - at only 23 - 26 MPG there's something wrong even if all these factors were in play. :mrgreen:
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