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Connect TDCi: rubber coupling-driven alternator - WTF!?

Postby Postman Pat » Sat Jan 05, 2008 12:51 am

Well, what a b*st**d of a job that was... in fact it's not finished yet.

For several weeks before xmas there had been a funny rumbly-squeaky noise from under the bonnet, the sort of thing that might have you thinking the water pump was going (van has done 93K). At first it was intermittent but it ended up constant, didn't seem to get louder with revs so I thought I'd wait and see what broke :lol: Eventually I decided it could be the alternator belt slipping; the reasoning for this wa that the noise would get worse if you put the lights on just after starting - obviously the alternator is having to work harder to charge the battery and run the lamps so you get electromagnetic drag and the belt slips... except that the belt was fine. Bu99er. Maybe the alternator bearings then...

Before I had chance to fiddle with it, the charge warning light started coming on. It'd go off when you start the engine, then 25 seconds or so later it would come back on. If you put the clutch down, switched engine off and back on again then let clutch up, the light would go off as the engine restarted then come back on 25 seconds later... and so on. I gather the light isn't actually fed from the alternator these days but some bloody ECU... :roll:

A quick check with a voltmeter showed that the battery wasn't charging. There was a decent connection to the alternator post and the earth bond was good too. So that'll be a dead alternator then, I guess.

I peered down past the intercooler and there it was. Pah, I thought, 10 minute job to get that out! Well, 10 minutes to get the corroded intercooler bolts out, maybe. :roll:
Off with the wires (don't try this at home kiddies but I taped up the battery lead rather than disconnect at the battery end, that way I don't lose the radio code and the central locking doesn't play billy suggers), crack the two long bolts and... hmmm, how does this rubber drive coupling work then? Three bolts round the hub, maybe the alternator just wiggles out once all the bolts are out. Well, I wiggled, pulled, tugged, yanked and heaved (but enough about my sex life :wink: ) and with the aid of Hands Like A Paedophile (tm) and a crowbar I eventually had the alternator out.

I realised that because of the way the drive coupling is fitted, and you don't need to take any belts off, there's no reason why you can't still drive the van as long as the battery os good! So I plugged the charger in for a few hours and have been running around like the proverbial fly with a coloured bottom trying to get a replacement alternator ever since.
Ford want £341 + VAT for a new one; the auto electricians don't seem to want to touch it (probably just needs a new regulator or brushes, bloody pennies except that the whole thing is encapsulated on this). One sparky did spin me a yarn about 'the rotors go on these mate' which may or may not be true but he quoted me £120, wasn't sure that would actually fix it and refused to guarantee his work. Thanks, but no thanks.

Some motor factors tell me that they can't get one for the TDCi engine, only the TDDi. I finally found a place who said 'Yeah, no worries, it'll be here at 12 o'clock' only for it to have the wrong pulley on when I got there. It appears otherwise identical so maybe that's the TDDi version. Either away they weren't happy for me to swap the pulleys so it got sent back and (maybe) the right one wil appear on Monday. Then I'll need my mate Gary Glitter to give me a hand putting the barsteward back in again...

Bloody ridiculous. When the old Lucas alternator on my '87 TVR wore its brushes out last year I had a new brushbox/ regulator fitted with the unit still on the car, in half an hour, cost £12. It used to be the case that a single alternator (or balljoint, track rod end, wheel bearing, brake pad) fit half the cars on the road; why the hell do they need to make so many ever-so-slightly-different ones to fit every different model? Twunts. :|
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Re: Connect TDCi: rubber coupling-driven alternator - WTF!?

Postby MrMPuk » Sat Jan 05, 2008 1:48 am

Any chance of a short version?
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Re: Connect TDCi: rubber coupling-driven alternator - WTF!?

Postby Postman Pat » Sat Jan 05, 2008 12:36 pm

Why? Do you struggle with reading?
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Re: Connect TDCi: rubber coupling-driven alternator - WTF!?

Postby ME » Sat Jan 05, 2008 1:42 pm

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Re: Connect TDCi: rubber coupling-driven alternator - WTF!?

Postby MrMPuk » Sat Jan 05, 2008 2:01 pm

Postman Pat wrote:Why? Do you struggle with reading?


No just couldn't be arsed to read all that, neither can anyone else by the looks of it.
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Re: Connect TDCi: rubber coupling-driven alternator - WTF!?

Postby 8skellerns » Sat Jan 05, 2008 2:59 pm

I did!

Manufacturers design everything so you cant fix it anymore. It is all exchange units that cost a fortune, considering that exchange units are reconditioned old units. Its a big con, and a big money spinner for Ford.
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Re: Connect TDCi: rubber coupling-driven alternator - WTF!?

Postby Postman Pat » Sat Jan 05, 2008 3:05 pm

MrMPuk wrote:
Postman Pat wrote:Why? Do you struggle with reading?


No just couldn't be arsed to read all that, neither can anyone else by the looks of it.


If your time is that precious I assume you're a millionaire; if not then why are you wasting your life sat in front of a computer when you could be out in your Transit? :wink:
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Re: Connect TDCi: rubber coupling-driven alternator - WTF!?

Postby coconut » Sat Jan 05, 2008 4:56 pm

Im confused :oops: (i am blonde :D ) whats the problem here??

Alternators on a connect are a piece of pi$$, 15mm spanner on the alt tensioner, whip the belt off the idler pulley , 3x 10mm & 3x 8mm bolts to take the drive out of the way, 2x 10mm bolts for the alt mountings (you only need to take 1 out as the top mounting is sloted :wink: ) then 2 wires and lever the alt away from the mounting block, do it all from underneath, if I could do them all day, I would be on bonus :D :D

There is only 2 different alts on them, one with the rubber drive and one without, and they are the same as the mk1 focus with the lynx engine, as far as i can remember, the main difference is, the 1 with rubber drive is the A/C type, so it is mounted closer to the starter to allow room for the A/C compressor, but some connects still had this type fitted but without A/C.
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Re: Connect TDCi: rubber coupling-driven alternator - WTF!?

Postby Postman Pat » Mon Jan 07, 2008 9:09 pm

Hey Coconut, you're quite right, it is a piece of cake when you do the job properly! :wink:
I was lying in a puddle so I figured jemmying the thing out was the way to go, unfortunately the new one wouldn't go back in the same way so I had to strip the panels, belt and drive unit off to get the alternator back in.

And the damn fault is still there :( :idea:I'm guessing the original alternator probably wasn't faulty after all.

I've checked every fuse, all the relevant relays and everything seems OK. I've pulled the alternator 3-pin plug off and I have battery voltage on the red and 9.35v on the grey (white?). The blue appears to have nothing, but a scan round the web suggests it may have some kind of digital data stream on it.

So can I take it the fault may be some ECU somewhere? I'm only £200 out of pocket, have to give the boss some bullshit to get that back :lol:
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Re: Connect TDCi: rubber coupling-driven alternator - WTF!?

Postby coconut » Mon Jan 07, 2008 11:53 pm

What is the fault you got? i got confused by the first story :lol:
If the alt light is on, check the 3 wires to the alternator again, its more than likely 1 of them has broken inside the sheathing (usually the grey or blue!!), its only a little jumper loom so you can disconnect it both ends and take it right off to check :wink:
Or the rubber drive might not be driving the alt? with everything bolted back up, you should be able to turn the alternator pulley one way but not the other,
Or is it something completly different :oops:
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Re: Connect TDCi: rubber coupling-driven alternator - WTF!?

Postby 8skellerns » Tue Jan 08, 2008 12:19 am

We had a connect come into work today with the same problems. It was the jumper loom that was at fault.
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Re: Connect TDCi: rubber coupling-driven alternator - WTF!?

Postby Postman Pat » Tue Jan 08, 2008 1:22 am

Yes, it is still the charge warning light coming on.

Just been out and had a rummage... the loom's all in one piece from the alternator (and the intercooler temp sensor) and as far as I can tell seems to bu99er off under the battery tray and round the back of the engine bay... any more ideas? :lol:
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Re: Connect TDCi: rubber coupling-driven alternator - WTF!?

Postby coconut » Tue Jan 08, 2008 9:27 pm

Did you give the wires a good tug or strip the sheathing back?
Did you check the rubber drive?
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Re: Connect TDCi: rubber coupling-driven alternator - WTF!?

Postby V184 » Tue Jan 08, 2008 9:55 pm

Had it on mine, it was a break in the wiring where its clipped to the rad cowling. Is this sub loom available from the dealers anybody ?
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Re: Connect TDCi: rubber coupling-driven alternator - WTF!?

Postby coconut » Tue Jan 08, 2008 10:02 pm

Yep, the little loom is seperate (or at least most of them it is :roll: )
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