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(MK2) Common water ingress points? (Found a couple already)

Postby Ripp » Fri Jan 06, 2023 4:56 pm

My photos appear to be a bit large for viewing properly on mobile devices, I'll fix that tomorrow but you can kind of get the gist without seeing the full width of them.

Currently having a bit more condensation than is normal so looking for water ingress points. I haven't actually taken up the floor in the cab yet because it's made of large parts of plastic trim and looks like all the setas need removing to do so but there is clearly water in there somewhere because it's condensating on the front windows (mainly windscreen) and the roof in the back so I need to find out where it's getting in.

So far I've had a look at the following:

Roof rack grommets (No leak found, the grommets are hard plastic though and do rattle a bit but don't seem to be letting water in)

Pollen filter (looks very dry and clean)


Scuttle drain holes:


Is this the drain hole for the scuttle? Drivers side was fairly gunked up with leaves and sludge, passenger side was clear.
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Water runs through it fine now:
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Drivers side door

The membrane inside was all torn up, found a piece of broken glass in the door which points to the window having been broken at some point which is more than likely the cause of all the tears in the membrane.
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Water was getting in and pooling here:

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I've temporarily repaired the membrane with duct tape and it no longer leaks. I will order a new one and some kind of sealant as it looks like it's supposed to be stuck on with mastic or something similar.


Passenger side door

Water was getting in through one of the screw holes that hold the interior door handle on so i've covered the holes and all around the plastic inserts in sticky black liquid gasket as that's all I had to hand but I know this stuff does a great job of sealing things so it should work.

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Bodywork seam & A/C drain pipe

I did also try to follow this guide which covers the A/C drain hole and some bodywork seam near the scuttle under the bonnet but without taking seats and floor out I can't get to the A/C drain and regarding the bodywork it looks like I'd have to take both windscreen wipers off and all of the scuttle assembly inclusding a part that looks like it's bonded to the windscreen I can't really see exactly what parts of the bodywork they are referring to so for now I've not been able to look at those two areas.

https://ford.oemdtc.com/472/water-leak- ... it-connect


Rear vent flaps

Theres a couple of vent flaps at the very rear of the cargo area, one beneath each light cluster tucked very low down and almost hidden, these are one-way flaps that let the pressure out of the vehicle when you shut doors (pretty sure all vehicles have these) and according to the video below these can let water in. tried soaking them with the hose from the outside but really I need to set the hose up properly underneat the van because lying under the van with hose pointing upwards just leads to you getting really wet real quick but from my limited test I couldn't see any water around the vents on the inside and the whole area in there looked pretty dry and dusty. They are extremely hard to see from the inside so I can't be 100% sure. I do have a cheapo Silverline inspection camera so I will need to revisit this with a proper hose setup underneath the van and the camera inside. The camera isn't very good so not sure it'll be good enough to see water or not. The video below also address the A/C hose and the doors which as above I've done the doors and have not yet done the A/C drain as it looks like a fairly large job.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3Shj3g ... LeaksFound


Whether or not unblocking the one scuttle drain and fixing the leaking doors has solved my issue is yet to be seen, obviously the doors have been leaking for a while so there will probably be some kind of buildup of water somewhere under the plastic floor so that will keep condensating until its all evaporated so I'm not going to know for a while if what I've done has helped. Until I get time to whip the seats and floor out and dry any residue up i'll just have to keep the heating on (which will no doubt casue more condensation lol) and wait it out and see what happens. I also have a couple of those dehumidifier bag things that are supposed to absorb the moisture so I'm rotating those between the van and a radiator at home so I am at least taking some moisture out of the van proactively.

So, does anyone have any other points of water ingress I can check out? Also when I remove the seats I assume the drives seat will have a sensor in it for the airbag that I'll have to unplug so does anyone know if that will throw a fault code that I will have to get cleared by something more than my cheapo bluetooth code reader? I beleive safety systems usually require a more powerful tool to reset.

I did also see an old post on this forum where someone reckoned that their rubber floor mats were somehow causing a leak and that when they removed them the leak went away. I do have those tray tyoe rubber floor mats and the only logical thing I can think of regarding those is the fact that small amounts of water can pool in them if you get in and out a lot with wet feet rather than get soaked into carpet style mats but in both cases the moisture is still in the van, in once case it's in the carpet and in the other case it's sat on top of the rubber mat, either will condensate back onto the windscreen given the right condiditions so not really sure how the rubber mats themselves could somehow be the cause of a leak and/or condensation?!
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Re: (MK2) Common water ingress points? (Found a couple alrea

Postby metalworker0 » Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:40 pm

AC ..would have thought there would be a pipe dangling underneath ..and this pipe maybe requires rodding ..with ..maybe a long plastic tie wrap shoved up it.

cant see the link ..its not working.

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Postby Ripp » Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:44 pm

metalworker0 wrote:AC ..would have thought there would be a pipe dangling underneath ..and this pipe maybe requires rodding ..with ..maybe a long plastic tie wrap shoved up it.

cant see the link ..its not working.

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Apparently part of the AC pipe is on the inside of the van down the drivers side of the centre console, and there is a plastic coupling there that leaks causing water to collect in the drivers side footwell. I've not yet taken the floor up to see if it's wet but this coupling is mentioned quite a lot on the internet as a common leak. The link I posted only seems to work if you disable adblocker.
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Postby Ripp » Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:00 am

I can't edit my original post with smaller photos so here they are again:

Is this the only scuttle drain (one on each side)?

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Torn drivers side door membrane
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Water leak through plastic insert for door handle screw on passenger side door
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Postby highroof » Sun Jan 08, 2023 3:44 pm

Interesting timing as I've been trying to figure out if my drivers door is letting a small amount of water in. It doesn't seem consistent and I'm not sure if it's just my wet shoes, but I'm occasionally noticing a small amount of water at the side of the drivers seat below the middle of the door on the small raised section of the floor.
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Postby Ripp » Sun Jan 08, 2023 3:50 pm

highroof wrote:Interesting timing as I've been trying to figure out if my drivers door is letting a small amount of water in. It doesn't seem consistent and I'm not sure if it's just my wet shoes, but I'm occasionally noticing a small amount of water at the side of the drivers seat below the middle of the door on the small raised section of the floor.


Well if you find anything please let me know as I want to check everywhere I can.
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Postby highroof » Sun Jan 08, 2023 6:27 pm

Will do mate. I'll know tomorrow, chucking it down here today!
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Postby Ripp » Sun Jan 08, 2023 6:29 pm

highroof wrote:Will do mate. I'll know tomorrow, chucking it down here today!

Same here, that's the main reason I've not been able to get out there and take the seats out to see if there is any water under the floor.
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Postby Kenton » Sun Jan 08, 2023 8:05 pm

I have no leaks on my 54 plate, but every couple of days the windscreen gets condensation on the inside. Been like it for years in the winter, and had two new screens fitted, with nithing found in the process. Must be a seasonal thing :?: :?
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Postby metalworker0 » Sun Jan 08, 2023 8:30 pm

Another thing that can happen is a heater core matrex leak ,...it can leak and evaporate instantly..so no drips
a help here maybe ...would a be a coolant system pressure tester ...that would make a drip happen........as in winter ,..the engine probably does not make enough pressure in the cooling system to show up a leak properly.
if you had a good mechanical mind set ,you could possibly make one of these with a tubeless tyre valve and old header tank cap..but don't pressurise it over 15 psi.

sort of like this

https://www.landyzone.co.uk/land-rover/ ... 70.111882/

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Postby Ripp » Mon Jan 09, 2023 9:01 am

I don't think I'm loosing coolant, seems more like a rain water ingress possibly. I will mark the header tank though and see if the level goes down over time.

It rained all day yesterday and got down to 4°C overnight so after a 20min trip to work this morning with the heating set on a medium heat I would have expected condensation to form very quickly after I parked it at work like it usually does but surprisingly today all I saw was a medium density condensation exactly in the areas marked red here:

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Whereas usually after parking it up I'd see medium condensation in the areas marked in red and a light density in the areas marked in green here:

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So it either didn't get cold enough to cause condensation this morning or my bodge leak repair on the doors and cleaning one of the scuttle drain holes has actually made a difference. Only time will tell. I wonder if the pattern in the first image is a clue to where the condensation is coming from as it seems to be a very specific pattern that seems to eminate from the heater vents at the bott of the windscreen? I will book it on for an A/C clean and 'demist' as my local FormulaOne Autocentre calls it and see if that makes any difference.
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Postby highroof » Thu Jan 12, 2023 12:39 am

False alarm on mine I think. Hope you get sorted.
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Postby xillent » Thu Jan 12, 2023 6:58 pm

My connect was leaking water in from roof rack points. Also the door surround rubber isn't the best. You've actually reminded me to sort that.
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Postby Ripp » Mon Jan 16, 2023 5:20 pm

Not sure that fixing the water ingress in the doors has solved my problem. It was 5°C on my 20min drive home this afternoon and I only had the heating set to cool (with AC off) and within a couple of hours after parking it up the temp dropped to 3°C and that was enough to create a medium condensation over the whole windscreen :-(

It's booked in at the weekend for an AC clean and demist but since starting this thread I've intentionally not used AC at all to see if that was introducing moisture into the cabin so I doubt the clean and demist will solve it but at least I can check it off the list.
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Postby Ripp » Mon Jan 16, 2023 5:23 pm

I guess I now need to get the seats out and floor up so I can check if the AC drain hose is leaking into the cabin. Also I need to figure out the bodywork seam issue mentioned in this article here: https://ford.oemdtc.com/472/water-leak- ... it-connect

After looking under my bonnet I can see that to get to the areas mentioned in the article a lot of stuff has to be removed first.
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