60 plate 1.8 tdci bottom wet belt destroyed.

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Engine locked up so I stripped it, as soon as i released the cam shaft the crank would rotate, the fuel pump felt notchy after removing the bottom cover I see the belt is like my granny at 113 yrs old. Think the valves are bent as 3 are sat low and weren't touching the lobes . Fuel pump looks A bit dry at the seal

Do the wet belt teeth get lodged anywhere that would make dozing it pointless? Any advice appreciated. Trying to prove the job or replace engine.

So I remove the sump and replace the pickup etc,can the fuel pump get blocked?.
Thanks.

Symptoms reported, driving along and started tapping,kept driving until dead. Can the engine be saved?

[Altransit]

I believe that they can be saved, I've heard of it being done a couple of times.

I think that the labour cost is the biggest reason that they're not usually saved

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I need to remove the head to see if the pistons are foofed, also the oil pump cover is 100+ new but I wouldn't want to chance it.

[metalworker0]

Well the only persons knowing..(not me) ..are the people who have handled the pumps .
I would expect the pump to be notchy ..as it has cams within it.

I know bugger all about the HP pumps ..except this ..there is one model that is lubricated with diesel and not engine oil... don't know which engines it belonged to.

One person here rebuilt his engine (sparkybandit)... with severe dents in the pistons, replaced a couple of valves ..once he eventually got it running ( NO COMPRESSION PROBLEM - he didn't know about needing the shims measured and replaced)...he seemed happy.

I say , take the head off ,,,take the sump off and assess the damage...
There is one common factor with all these wet belts ..the gunge they make seems to bugger up the brake vacuum pump.

If it has a lot of belt debris in the sump...what could happen is: the oil filter gets plugged and bypasses, it then sends un-filtered oil into the galleries.
If so>
All these need to be cleaned out , including a tiny plastic filter screen that is in the turbo oil feed line and the oil jets for under the pistons.

I think to get at the oil jets requires, removal of engine , as it has a ladder frame between the sump and block... and is bolted from within bell housing.
Dozing ..whats that ..is it a flush?
No, a flush would make things worse ..driving the debris (if it has them) further into the places its not supposed to go.

all the best.mark

[metalworker0]

Your picture looks like everything is bone dry ..like no lube was getting there ...meaning oil pump failure has occurred or gallery feeding the wetbelt is blocked. turning wetbelt into drybelt

all the best.mark

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Cheers,all good points I will need to consider. The crank seems ok though and no cam lobe damage so I'm not so sure about total oil pump failure. Or turbo failure either, intercooler has no oil in it at all apart from finger smear on the pipes.

I'll remove the head and sump and update. Hoping the pickup pipe will have had most of it and the filter.

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Spent all day on it,head is nearly off.

Top left I noticed the large boost pipe has split about an inch an half

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3 pistons damaged. Have advised the guy but no reply yet.
Could remove sump and look at fixing it. But the repair parts add up to a few bob.

[metalworker0]

it's not yours then , and you'll be charging labour ..that puts a whole new perspective on it.

my advice was if it was yours ...now i don't know.

well get a good used low mileage engine for it, and do a chain conversion on it .

oh yeah ..what mileage did this fail at?

all the best..mark

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Cheers Mark. If it was mine I'd probably do the cheap repair version.

I'm hoping to get the engine swap go ahead, i also gave him the option of selling it spares or repair and buy another. He may want to not pay me the 1.5 days labour plus towing it to my lockup charges. But we'll see what he says tbh.

[paul2012]

I need to remove the head to see if the pistons are foofed, also the oil pump cover is 100+ new but I wouldn't want to chance it.

Dreaded wet belt (Belt-in oil), why didn't Ford stick with chain.

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As mentioned above there's a conversion kit, I wonder if it is just earlier parts from the tddi? Unless it is actually a modified setup? But an option.

Anyway i spotted all of the brake pipes are rotten and it looks like the chassis might need attention,the car is generally not very good.the rear bumper is rotten away. So sourcing a tdci engine roughly 800 and my labour and work for the mot etc on a 2010 connect in not the best condition is probably prohibitively expensive. I hope to be towing it to the owners house and not see it again. I have work to get on with. I did say if he gets an engine and wants me to throw it in then ok but he thinks it'll be about 700 all in

It's nice when people tell you isn't it