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Re: ideas for the van?

Postby Luke » Wed Sep 22, 2010 3:32 pm

i've started a thread with a vote poll just to gauge if this would be a good idea :D

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Re: ideas for the van?

Postby sideshow_bill » Wed Sep 22, 2010 6:34 pm

Luke wrote:took from this post :idea: :idea:

what about this :idea: :idea: I AM SERIOUS :mrgreen:

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extended tag axle 6 wheeler :!: 8) 8) 8)

we do have 2 vans we could use :idea: - get some thick walled box section run it down the chassis rails for extra strength cut and extend the body - fit a 2nd axle drive the front axle and have the rear one just trailing, braking and suspention but not driving :D

can anyone knock us up a photoshop :?: :idea: 8)


Just a thought - why not use the front axle and subframe? Once the trackrods are made into trailing arms then it would drive straight.
Advantages - no need to stagger the leaf springs to get wheels close together, Can go in front or behind drive axle as prop - exhaust etc wont foul on the diff bits + will look more intentional!
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Re: ideas for the van?

Postby Luke » Wed Sep 22, 2010 6:50 pm

i reckon the easyest way would be to use an empty (no diff or halfshafts) axle casing mounted in the same way as the front back axle - but as you say move the leafs inboard a bit - doing that shouldnt affect the stability as the front axle will be in the origanal place and still have the outboard leafs :D

the only thing i can think of is how would you lubricate the wheel bearings on the back axle with no halfshafts or diff to circulate the oil round to them :idea: unless we weld a blank in where the half shaft should go then drill tap the top (fit a vented plug) and fill the voids with gear oil :idea: :D
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Re: ideas for the van?

Postby sideshow_bill » Wed Sep 22, 2010 6:55 pm

Luke wrote:i reckon the easyest way would be to use an empty (no diff or halfshafts) axle casing mounted in the same way as the front back axle - but as you say move the leafs inboard a bit - doing that shouldnt affect the stability as the front axle will be in the origanal place and still have the outboard leafs :D

the only thing i can think of is how would you lubricate the wheel bearings on the back axle with no halfshafts or diff to circulate the oil round to them :idea: unless we weld a blank in where the half shaft should go then drill tap the top (fit a vented plug) and fill the voids with gear oil :idea: :D


Starting to get complicated. If you want to keep the leaf springs, then is there a way of mounting the front hubs on a beam axle?
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Re: ideas for the van?

Postby Luke » Wed Sep 22, 2010 7:13 pm

just been on the phone to martin - he suggested a mk6 fwd back axle :D that would be idea :D
the problem with a front axle is the strut would go up into the van and we'd need to fab a top mount :)
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Re: ideas for the van?

Postby sideshow_bill » Wed Sep 22, 2010 8:28 pm

Luke wrote:just been on the phone to martin - he suggested a mk6 fwd back axle :D that would be idea :D
the problem with a front axle is the strut would go up into the van and we'd need to fab a top mount :)

Yey :) Jobs a good un!

Still need to work out positions for shock mounts, and remember we will need down rated springs and shocks or the ride is liable to be very harsh.
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Re: ideas for the van?

Postby TIMO » Wed Sep 22, 2010 8:34 pm

TIMO wrote:
Luke wrote:i think the hardest bit will be finishing the bodywork between the join of the 2 vans :? thats the bit we need some serious skilled men (or women :mrgreen: ) on 8) - done wrong or bodged it'd spoil it :(

thats one big panel to get right with no ripples :shock: the best way would be ..if poss to seperate factory joints and extend it that way?? if we had,,lets say a spare jumbo we cut cut the extra 18 inch out of it and use that on the back of the project van,,,if you see what i mean?
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Re: ideas for the van?

Postby sideshow_bill » Wed Sep 22, 2010 9:07 pm

TIMO wrote:
TIMO wrote:
Luke wrote:i think the hardest bit will be finishing the bodywork between the join of the 2 vans :? thats the bit we need some serious skilled men (or women :mrgreen: ) on 8) - done wrong or bodged it'd spoil it :(

thats one big panel to get right with no ripples :shock: the best way would be ..if poss to seperate factory joints and extend it that way?? if we had,,lets say a spare jumbo we cut cut the extra 18 inch out of it and use that on the back of the project van,,,if you see what i mean?


Make the join along a natural break in the panel. 1st rule of design asthetics - if you cant hide it - make a feature of it!
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Re: ideas for the van?

Postby TIMO » Wed Sep 22, 2010 9:48 pm

how about just a stretched translimo?? excuse my photoshop skills.. may also be more sellable :| Image
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Re: ideas for the van?

Postby sideshow_bill » Wed Sep 22, 2010 10:04 pm

TIMO wrote:how about just a stretched translimo?? excuse my photoshop skills.. may also be more sellable :| Image

I can think of a few reasons...

First off the standard of luxury expected in a limo might be tricky to acheive in a weekend.
then it will cost a lot, Aim being to raise money not spend it :)
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Re: ideas for the van?

Postby Luke » Thu Sep 23, 2010 11:39 am

Limo's allready been done 8) and i doubt in a weekend we could build anything like this :lol: :mrgreen:
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Re: ideas for the van?

Postby executivetravel » Thu Sep 23, 2010 11:57 am

RADICAL IDEA.............


return it to "showroom as new"

rebuilt mechanicals, jack it up, rip the mechanicals out >>>>>>>>>>>>> workshop

lift body onto trolley >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bodyshop

havent you ever seen Chip Foose "overhaulin"?

then a few subtle touches (very few, very subtle)
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Re: ideas for the van?

Postby redcube » Thu Sep 23, 2010 12:18 pm

executivetravel wrote:RADICAL IDEA.............


return it to "showroom as new"

rebuilt mechanicals, jack it up, rip the mechanicals out >>>>>>>>>>>>> workshop

lift body onto trolley >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bodyshop

havent you ever seen Chip Foose "overhaulin"?

then a few subtle touches (very few, very subtle)



I like that idea
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Re: ideas for the van?

Postby sideshow_bill » Thu Sep 23, 2010 2:04 pm

redcube wrote:
executivetravel wrote:RADICAL IDEA.............


return it to "showroom as new"

rebuilt mechanicals, jack it up, rip the mechanicals out >>>>>>>>>>>>> workshop

lift body onto trolley >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bodyshop

havent you ever seen Chip Foose "overhaulin"?

then a few subtle touches (very few, very subtle)



I like that idea


As new means lots of new parts, bushes etc. Can we get these FOC?
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Re: ideas for the van?

Postby ake » Thu Sep 23, 2010 6:30 pm

executivetravel wrote:RADICAL IDEA.............


return it to "showroom as new"

rebuilt mechanicals, jack it up, rip the mechanicals out >>>>>>>>>>>>> workshop

lift body onto trolley >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bodyshop

havent you ever seen Chip Foose "overhaulin"?

then a few subtle touches (very few, very subtle)


I actually like that idea as well, I like clean and standard
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