Power gains by a re map

[Dale1970]

I am under the impression and also been told by other people that the MK7 TDCI 2.2 is the same engine right through the range from 85ps - 140ps this is the puma euro4 engine.

All that is different is the 130ps & 140ps the turbo as an electric actuator instead of the vacuum and software settings in ECU. I don't know if the injectors are the same.

But the inside workings of the engine is the same. So why do Fords give them such a wide range of power and also set the power toque so low 85ps to so high 140ps.

My transit as been re-mapped from 85ps to a suspected 148ps it as been tested but others say the dyno it was tested is not that accurate.

I know when you contact these companies they tell you what you want hear. So this thread really is all about what have you got power wise from your transit 2.2 or 2.4.

Please forgive me if I am wrong on the information given at the top I pay guys to sort this out but after hearing so many different storeys I am not sure now. I am not a mechanic I know a little about a lot really in this field.

[ake]

The 85 and 110 ps have lower flow injectors than the others, and I would imagine that there will be internal differences such as cam profiles

[loot]

I think martyn would be best answering this from a remap point of view.
maybe a tech could explain the physical differences in the engines.
I think the electronic control of thre higher ps turbos maybe to decrease lag response since they don't need to wait for vacuum pressure too build up,similarly too a super charger over a turbo charger where it being direct drive means more response.
boss man is getting his van remapped on Monday, I assume the bloke it's using kess to do it,will see what happens.

[fedup2]

First,I think 148 Bhp from a 85 is wishful thinking at its best.

The 85 and 110 share a lot of the same parts including weedy driveshafts and joints but the 130 and above have much bigger ones and of course the injectors and turbo are different.wether or not the cam profile is different I wouldn't know but I doubt it.I suspect alot of the difference is in the software but injectors,and turbo is going to limit that.

[Dale1970]

First,I think 148 Bhp from a 85 is wishful thinking at its best.

The 85 and 110 share a lot of the same parts including weedy driveshafts and joints but the 130 and above have much bigger ones and of course the injectors and turbo are different.wether or not the cam profile is different I wouldn't know but I doubt it.I suspect alot of the difference is in the software but injectors,and turbo is going to limit that.

A ford techy told me the actual engine components are the same eg: cams, followers, pistons, cranks, heads & valves as this is the standard set up for the 2.2 the power difference is in the turbo and software set up. The clutch and drive gear is different as you say, I got that info from a ford tech at our local dealers. You say that it is wishful thinking to get 148 out of a 85ps why.

I see ( correct if you think I am wrong) but if you had software restricting the power of that unit and to boost the power up you only have to change the perimeters of the settings. The 130 can go up to 160ish by altering the same settings why can't you get 148 out of the 85. It as the same diesel injector, used through the 85, 110, 115 & 130 range it is also used in the Jag 2.2, Range rover sport also Mondeo. So I cant see that the injector will restrict the velocity and pressure of diesel going through it and same diesel pump. I take it if you wanted to you can re-map the 130 down to a 85ps not that you want to but the perimeters are there to do so

[Guy88]

Injectors are different in the 85 and 110,

When my 110 was mapped it caused no end of problems when going for high power gains,

the 115, 130 and 140ps 2.2 has higher flowing injectors, many people on here have got a juddering from the 110 because the injectors are so close to their limit,

if you go into ford and compare them the injectors are different, fuel rail PRV is different etc,

Its basically like having 2 pipes with the same pressure but 2 different sizes, the bigger one will allow more to pass thru in the same time.

[Dale1970]

There are 3 types of injector Denso part No. 6C1Q-9K546-AC FINIS: 1378432 This does 85, 110 115 120ps and Denso part No 095000-7060 (6C1Q9K546-BB) 130 & 140ps. There is a SIEMENS injector but not sure what for. That's what I just read

http://www.mondeospares.co.uk/ford-transit-mk7-2224-tdci-denso-injector-reconditioned-2006---onwards-6c1q-9k546-ac-1722-p.asp

[Guy88]

There are 3 types of injector Denso part No. 6C1Q-9K546-AC FINIS: 1378432 This does 85, 110 115 120ps and Denso part No 095000-7060 (6C1Q9K546-BB) 130 & 140ps. There is a SIEMENS injector but not sure what for. That's what I just read

http://www.mondeospares.co.uk/ford-transit-mk7-2224-tdci-denso-injector-reconditioned-2006---onwards-6c1q-9k546-ac-1722-p.asp

that is for the 85 and 110ps 2.2 and the 100 and 115ps 2.4, they never made a 120ps MK7

the ones ending in AC are low flow the ones ending in BB are high flow

AFAIK all the MK7 have denso injectors

the 110ps seemed to cause a lot of running issues when tuned, ford discontinued the 110 2.2 and fitted the 115ps 2.2 with the BB injectors in it, these cause a lot less issues

The fact that the 110 causes issues even with a mild tune is making the 140ps from an 85 seem a bit optimistic,

the 110 wouldnt get anywhere near 140ps without issues

[Guy88]

siemens injectors are for the connect btw

[Dale1970]

I have just found this on here they was told the same as me but had it dyno tested and only got it to 137ps.
He was originally told 157ps
http://fordtransit.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=56783&start=15

[Rumble bee]

Tempted to get mine on a dyno, theres one down the road from me.

Mines a mapped 110, be interested to see what power it is


Chris

[g-man]

they also say a 110 connect will go to 148bhp

[ake]

they also say a 110 connect will go to 148bhp

I bet that's reliable

[Wadey]

Iv kinda come to this half way through and was gonna ask the question later but now seems a good enough time sorry if iv hijacted someones thread ! Iv currently got a 90 that if like to get more power are the injectors smaller on the 90s? The block has just had new rings shells etc I'm gonna get the pump and injectors checked am I better off putting different ones in than having the originals refurbed? If I want more power? I know I'm gonna need a re map so is it worth upgrading the bits before? and has anyone ever had the heads played with? As mines off at the moment sorry for so many questions

[alzee20]

My scientific input-
I had a 75ps mk6 swb low roof, I now have a 11 plate 115 ps mk7 the same size carrying the same stuff around..
My 75ps had an inter cooler put on, de cat and kn panel filter, remapped by van tuner twice.. ( the 2nd time was after increasing turbo with a bleed type valve).
I had my mk7 from brand new, my mk6 had just that bit more power, she burned a lot more diesel though! Lol
I'd say now that she was nearly at 120 ps.. I did keep up with a mates 125 empty jumbo...