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fitting power steering to a mk3

Postby 0127painterman » Wed Jun 02, 2010 9:30 pm

:? Hi, my partner and i have just bought a late 89 2.0 petrol transit/camper and we are now wondering how we go about fitting power steering, I'm sure hundreds of people must have asked the same question. I am reasonably mechanically competent, but am not sure of exactly what I need in terms of parts, pulleys,brackets etc. Its a December 89 registered 2.0 swb pinto engine with 205 stamped on it if that bears any relevance. Many thanks to all who read this, any advice whatsoever would be very gratefully recieved. cheers Howard. :?
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Re: fitting power steering to a mk3

Postby MrMPuk » Wed Jun 02, 2010 9:32 pm

Does it have a steering box or rack? SWB will be rack and LWB will be box.
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Re: fitting power steering to a mk3

Postby transitandy » Thu Jun 03, 2010 1:06 am

welcome m8 im sure people have done it before and must be info on it somewhere about it :wink:
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Re: fitting power steering to a mk3

Postby AlanN » Thu Jun 03, 2010 2:42 pm

It a reasonable easy conversion, but as Mike says, some vehicles details are required so he can point you in the right direction :D
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Re: fitting power steering to a mk3

Postby billnfi » Fri Jun 04, 2010 7:08 am

Hi, I am after the same info if anyone out there has it. My Camper is a swb 100 high top model on an 88 plate with a 2.0l Pinto engine. Have good access to a breakers yard. Cant see bottom engine pulley cos the van is parked in storage yard at mo but i def know it has second pulley on viscous fan. If anyone can help both myself and Painterman Would very much apreciate it. Would also like to post some pics if someone can tell me how to do that.

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Re: fitting power steering to a mk3

Postby ChequeredRoof » Fri Jun 04, 2010 9:52 am

If you have one of these....

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and you want to fit one of these....

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then I can help you with info as I've just done it. If you have a steering rack, I can't help.
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Re: fitting power steering to a mk3

Postby chalkie » Fri Jun 04, 2010 10:21 pm

I too have one of those and want one of them so i would be interested to hear your take on it please
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Re: fitting power steering to a mk3

Postby AlanN » Fri Jun 04, 2010 11:44 pm

Power steering box, Hmmm £££££££££££££
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Re: fitting power steering to a mk3

Postby billnfi » Sat Jun 05, 2010 5:47 pm

Hi, Thanks for the pix ChequeredRoof but mine just has a straight rack. So if anybody has the info about converting one of these can they please post. Got the van here now and it has all the double pulleys.

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Re: fitting power steering to a mk3

Postby AlanN » Sat Jun 05, 2010 7:08 pm

Not too terrible if your OK with the spanners, just find a MK3 4 or 5 with a pinto engine, remove rack, pipes, reservoir and keep all the bolts & clips... reveres fit... If I remember rightly you will need to use your original track rod ends, as they are different to MK4/5 and you will need to clean the threads out on the block with a tap. Not sure how much fluid you need.
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Re: fitting power steering to a mk3

Postby billnfi » Sun Jun 06, 2010 3:22 pm

Thanks for that, I will keep my eyes open for a suitable donor vehicle. How do you post Pics on the forum? Sorry new to this so am bit dumb at moment.

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Re: fitting power steering to a mk3

Postby AlanN » Sun Jun 06, 2010 4:28 pm

Follow the instruction on this thread, just shout if you need help
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Re: fitting power steering to a mk3

Postby ChequeredRoof » Tue Jun 08, 2010 5:14 pm

Hi billnfi, chalkie and others...

To upgrade your Mk3 Transit manual steering box to power steering, you need 5 key components:

1. PAS box (the pipe work in this picture is non-standard)

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2. Steering column lower coupling (you can't use the manual one - it's too long)

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3. Drop Arm (manual one won't fit on PAS splines, and you'll probably have cut it off anyway (explained later!))

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4. PAS pump, mounting bracket and idler pulley

5. PAS fluid reservoir

Plus the pipe work, fittings, longer drive belt and some PAS fluid.

As I am running a non-standard engine, I have used a different PAS pump, fluid reservoir and pipe work, so I don’t have pictures of these parts, but if I tell you what I have done, you should get a feel for what is involved in doing the job.

Here’s the process:

1. Within the engine bay, remove the steering column lower coupling pinch bolt from the clamp plate (at top of picture below) and move the coupling out of the way.

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2. Under the wheel arch, pull out the split pin and remove the castellated nut on the drop arm ball joint (shown removed at bottom of picture below). Then use a ball joint separator to take them apart.

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3. Undo the drop arm retaining nut (shown removed at top of picture above) and, in the words of the Haynes Manual, “use a suitable puller to withdraw the drop arm from the shaft” :lol: :lol: :lol: . Having broken two hefty puller arms :( , wrecked a special tool I made for the job :oops: and engaged a local mechanic who failed to remove it with his 10 tonne hydraulic puller :x , I ended up having to cut the old drop arm off :roll: . If you research this subject, you will find that Transit and Land Rover drop arm removal can be a real nightmare. I always hate “burning bridges” by chopping good parts off, preferring to keep my options open for putting it all back together if it doesn’t work out. However, there was no choice here, so I chopped it (very carefully)..

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4. Back in the engine bay, remove the three bolts securing the steering box to the chassis plate, and remove it.

5. Next – the easy part – simply bolt in the power steering box (4 bolts, with holes already there for you on the chassis plate, see below). Torque them to 84 Nm.

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6. Under the wheel arch again, attach the PAS drop arm (which has a master spline so you can’t get the alignment wrong) and torque the nut to 270 Nm.

7. Replace the castellated nut on the drop arm ball joint, torque to 115 Nm, and use a new split pin. I had a problem at this point in that the drag link ball joint which I sourced with my PAS drop arm had the opposite thread (where it attaches to the drag link) to the existing ball joint. I couldn’t just use the existing ball joint as it has a smaller tapered end, which rattles around in the drop arm hole. This may always be the case, or it may be because I have a County 4x4 with “heavy duty steering”. To cut a long story short, I got around the problem by having a tapered “cone” machined to fill the gap as suggested by H_munch (see below, just visible between the ball joint thread and the drop arm). This has worked perfectly so far. You may or may not need to do this.

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8. In the engine bay, do up the steering column lower coupling pinch bolt to 30 Nm.

From this point on, I have used a non-standard set-up, but you will need to:

9. Fit the PAS pump, torque the M10 bolts to 58 Nm and the M12 bolts to 97 Nm.

10. Fit the idler pulley.

11. Fit the fluid reservoir.

12. Connect up the pipe work. The easiest solution would be to source the correct Transit pipe work (good luck :wink: ). As I was using a non-standard system, I had to make up my own. You will need:
a. Very high pressure flow hose from pump to steering box.
b. Lower pressure return hose from steering box to fluid reservoir.
c. Low pressure supply hose from fluid reservoir to pump.
My connections and solid pipe work entering the PAS pump were specially fabricated as I failed to find the correct Transit fittings. The flow and return connections are clearly marked on the steering box.

13. Fit the correct drive belt and adjust the tension using the idler pulley, then torque up the bolts to 28 Nm. The drive belt is just a longer version of the alternator / water pump drive belt, that now includes the idler pulley and PAS pump.

14. Fill the fluid reservoir with the correct PAS fluid (Ford Spec SQM-2C-9010-A)

15. Carefully bleed the system. To do this, turn the steering from lock to lock with the wheels clear of the ground and the engine off. It turns surprisingly easily. Top up the reservoir as necessary. Then start the engine and repeat the process at idle, keeping the reservoir topped up.

Then – ENJOY what must be the very best improvement you can make to any manual steering Mk3 Transit (after fitting a pokey engine :D ). Believe me, it is definitely worth the hassle and expense.
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Re: fitting power steering to a mk3

Postby 0127painterman » Tue Jun 08, 2010 8:30 pm

Hi all, thanks for all advice so far Mk3 Pas racks /pumps seem to be like chickens teeth! so looks like I,ll try tofind mk4 or5 and change track rod ends, there is a mk3 rack and pump on ebay at the moment, but it is off a diesel, the pump mounting looks different, but does any one have any idea whether rack is the same for both petrol and diesel as I cant see why there would be a difference? cheers Howard.
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Re: fitting power steering to a mk3

Postby tkd 1974 » Mon Jul 12, 2010 9:51 pm

hi all

wondering where can i get the parts for the pas box for the mk3

i have 89 25di beavertail that i am doing up any help be great cheers tony
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