130PS 2.5 TD

[stevew]

Who can tell me anything at all about the 130PS marine version of Fords 2.5 TD power plant?
I have only read referneces to it on various forums and the only hard evidende that it exists (or ever did) in on the United Diesel site here.
Apparently they use yellow spot injectors.

So what's the difference between this and the 100/115PS unit and where do I get hold of one!

Steve

[AndyG]

You need to speak to poppajoe

He has one of these beasts

Here it is

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[MrMPuk]

I think what Steve is saying Andy is where is the proof it's a 130ps engine!

[AndyG]

It's actually listed

Click on stevew's 'here'

[MrMPuk]

I have only read referneces to it on various forums and the only hard evidende that it exists (or ever did) in on the United Diesel site here.

So where is the proof, I can see exactly where Steve is coming from.

[AndyG]

I have only read referneces to it on various forums and the only hard evidende that it exists (or ever did) in on the United Diesel site here.

So where is the proof, I can see exactly where Steve is coming from.

Well I can't prove it any more than when Ford said your van is a 70PS

(not the cossy of course )

[stevew]

Wow, thanks Andy!
I didn't doubt that it produces 130PS more that it even existed!

Looks interesting. Manual pump?
I'd like to know more. It looks to have quite a lot of different parts on it.

Steve

[MrMPuk]

This might not even be a proper 130 engine, it look to me to be a poorly modified engine out of a van. I have seen allsorts in boats over years including pintos straight out of cars!

[stevew]

Hmm yeah it does look a bit diy, especially the paint. Still if it came out of someones bilge it probably would look like that.
Anyway that'll teach me not to search the forum, doh!
Other thread is here:
http://fordtransit.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7329

Steve

[AndyG]

I have only read referneces to it on various forums and the only hard evidende that it exists (or ever did) in on the United Diesel site here.

So where is the proof, I can see exactly where Steve is coming from.

I think what Steve is saying Andy is where is the proof it's a 130ps engine!

Tell you what Ask poppajoe for the injector numbers off of his engine

[poppajoe]

Hmm yeah it does look a bit diy, especially the paint. Still if it came out of someones bilge it probably would look like that.
Anyway that'll teach me not to search the forum, doh!
Other thread is here:
http://fordtransit.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7329

Steve

It was actually put together by a marine engineer! just not painted, and the following explains how......and why it can be.....

Put any engine in a boat in the sea and after 6 mths the paint job will be your last worry!

All the marine versions start as a "van" engine and nearly never from a new block, it is widely advised and done by all the "proffesional" marine engine suppliers, they sell kits and advice specifically to do this!.

Some marine engines need conversions of more internal parts like reprofiled cams etc but not most diesels, especially the fords thats why I like to use them, I am a ford man at heart having had escorts, cortinas etc all my life and would easily be capable of ripping out my boat engine swapping all the "marine parts" and fitting it back in shuld it fail/blow up.

The original (been told/ believe) builder and in esence, originator of the 2.5tdi intercooled 130 version was Lanecing marine, a reputable uk company. Many have converted this block but not many did the 130bhp, they are widely used right from being rated as 55hp upto 130hp in boats, this is why I had questions originally and contacted this forum (see my first post).
I contacted Lancing but they are very guarded (understandable, it's their living after all) about what they actually do to an engine to get 130 other than it is intercooled, has the standard marine bits like raw water pump, heat exchanger, and some wierd piping etc AND A BIGGER turbo, when I asked what turbo they would not tell me and only said NO STANDARD tranny one would do, "it has to be bigger" this is why I decided to buy a proven engine (used) and then rebuild it myself. I have fitted my own turbo following many, many, many hours of research (and favours from a parts supplier) and have now settled on an Iveco 2.8TDi version which is used on engines from 146 - 166 bhp, and it IS noticably bigger! I have also stripped it first to block the wastegate closed, this is specifically for a boat only.

All I can tell ALL of you so far is this:

If you fit an intercooler the same as mine, Bowman, however this is seawater cooled (could be fitted with a seperate rad in your van) you would need this version (3 week delivery @ £270 built to order) fit a Bosch pump highest spec, Blue or even better yellow injectors, remove all the gadgets like sensors etc, fit a BIGGER turbo and (this is the difficult bit) cut your exhaust down to 3ft long with no boxes, yes 3ft straight through! then I see no reason whatsoever why you can not get 130bhp or probably much more (when I crank up the pump in all the places, thanks much to razaman for his help on this) when the pump mods are done.
I have found NO evidence of anything, from anyone that suggests there is anything internal that is changed!

I will be posting pictures of the actual engine finished very soon - and I have still not painted the block, only the bolt on bits, cos in a year it would look the same!

I would be seriously interested in helping someone do this in a van to see what we could get - let me know if you are interested?

Hope this helps???

Best regards, Steve...

[AndyG]

Poppajoe, with that little lot you've got bolted to that engine of yours, I reckon you're closer to 150PS






How much power is needed to make your boat go

[sc_BK]

How much power is needed to make your boat go

He needs plenty of power to get up the hills

[poppajoe]

Poppajoe, with that little lot you've got bolted to that engine of yours, I reckon you're closer to 150PS






How much power is needed to make your boat go

Yea I reckon it will be close to 150 too!

Plenty of hills, waves - biguns! thats where the fun is!!!

I should be luanching it in the next couple of weeks, expect to do some "in boat" alterations maybe but this will only be pump adjustments etc hopefully, at the mo it is set to give all out power, max fuel set etc so it will hopefully go like fu&*k but probably smoke. With the enigne in this set up it negates all the chocking items like egr, exhausts etc so it should, I hope burn all the fuel I can give it - until it blows up of course! lol!!

When you see the pics you will see that the turbo, intercooler, inlet manifold and exhaust ports are all within 8 inches of each other, the intercooler for instance is mounted on top of the rocker cover and its 500mm long and 120mm diam.

I will certanly let you all know as soon as I do.

Cheers.

[AndyG]

Well, how did they manage with the Perkins 4/108 engine @52 PS (which I beleive was heavily used before the Di)