Flame start.

[vanfox]

Any one got the flame start fitted? Have managed to obtain a flame plug but not the rest of the gubbins.
How is the fuel applied to the plug?
How long is the heating period?
How much fuel is injected?
I reckon if I fit a push button to heat the plug and use a gun to inject the right amount of fuel it could work.
Really need this, the wind chill here is freezing, new battery, engine turns fast enough, just won't fire up without the smallest whiff of easystart. Engine has 30 bar compression on all pots, think the inj pump is iffy but runs OK when started. Just passed MOT emissions test OK.

[psv-hgv-flt]

Any one got the flame start fitted? Have managed to obtain a flame plug but not the rest of the gubbins.
How is the fuel applied to the plug?
How long is the heating period?
How much fuel is injected?
I reckon if I fit a push button to heat the plug and use a gun to inject the right amount of fuel it could work.
Really need this, the wind chill here is freezing, new battery, engine turns fast enough, just won't fire up without the smallest whiff of easystart. Engine has 30 bar compression on all pots, think the inj pump is iffy but runs OK when started. Just passed MOT emissions test OK.

how it works is on hear.
viewtopic.php?f=31&t=59343

[jay]

wont need one if in the UK as it never really gets cold enough to use it on a transit..are your injectors ok is the compression on the engine good..might be a idea to check all this before fitting flame start

LOcation and age and type of van would help..

[vanfox]

how it works is on here.
viewtopic.php?f=31&t=59343

Many thanks, it seems I need the solly valve, control module and pipes. Seems easy to install, manifold is tapped and plugged, as is fuel filter. Any one know the time needed to heat up the flame plug?

I surmise the plug is heated then the engine is cranked with the fuel supply valve open, allowing fuel to the red hot heater, which ignites, thus providing the (400 degree C ) heat to "encourage" the Di to start.....simples!

Now to hunt down the solly valve, reckon I can time the heating and valve myself and use a switch to control them....not so simples.

***wont need one if in the UK as it never really gets cold enough to use it on a transit.. Hmm I beg to differ, as do a lot of people on here, just count how many posts there are beginning, " It's cold, my van won't start, where's the heater plugs switch"). Injectors and comp already checked as stated, it's a......Di, up north, in the middle of a field, hence the wind chill!

[wole]

hi i had a perkins 4108 that had a very simple system. it had a small container fitted to the top of the bulkhead under the bonnet. it used to fill up from the leak off pipe on the rear injector. when it was full any more was returned to the tank. so then you press the button for about ten seconds and the hot diesel passed through the flame start. then the container refilled autuomatic for the next cold start.

[kinty]

hi i fitted one to mine..heres the link

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=56935


everbody knows about the cold starting troubles some have....this solves it.

[samson]

hi i had a perkins 4108 that had a very simple system. it had a small container fitted to the top of the bulkhead under the bonnet. it used to fill up from the leak off pipe on the rear injector. when it was full any more was returned to the tank. so then you press the button for about ten seconds and the hot diesel passed through the flame start. then the container refilled autuomatic for the next cold start.

so simple it worked.even today almost 30 year on our fork lifts (hyster. with a perkins engine) they still work in the coldest of weather and the old fitters will know that the perkins were a total b****d to start with out this

[psv-hgv-flt]

hi i had a perkins 4108 that had a very simple system. it had a small container fitted to the top of the bulkhead under the bonnet. it used to fill up from the leak off pipe on the rear injector. when it was full any more was returned to the tank. so then you press the button for about ten seconds and the hot diesel passed through the flame start. then the container refilled autuomatic for the next cold start.

so simple it worked.even today almost 30 year on our fork lifts (hyster. with a perkins engine) they still work in the coldest of weather and the old fitters will know that the perkins were a total b****d to start with out this

yes a b*stard, we had them in the mk1-2 bull-nose transits with x2 batts.

[samson]

[richycarpets]

have u fitted new timing belt?
i had same problem so did my m8 i fitted new cam belts on them both and second batterys they fire fine naw
we tried everything and only cold start plus a power pack would start them till i changed the belts

[fastmower]

I have a flame start fitted on my County, and it's never activated once this winter - and I'm out the door before 5 in the morning which can be a pretty nippy time of day! Van starts as soon as the key is turned no matter how cold it's been.

It's probably a sign of other problems somewhere if you think you "need" it to get your van going. As others have said, it's not really necessary for the UK market - as mine has proved by not showing itself all winter!

Andy

[alanwh]

I agree that a flame start is not the way to bodge a badly maintained van, but in my experience even the best fitter can occasionally fail to sort a bad starting van when it's cold, some are just bad no matter how much cash and time you throw at them. The later Bosch pumps can be the real pigs.

[Altransit]

I agree that a flame start is not the way to bodge a badly maintained van, but in my experience even the best fitter can occasionally fail to sort a bad starting van when it's cold, some are just bad no matter how much cash and time you throw at them. The later Bosch pumps can be the real pigs.

I agree with that!
Mine has been a bad cold starter in the 5 years I've owned it. New battery fitted, leads have been cleaned, then replaced, additional earths added, new starter fitted, additional battery fitted, new timing belt fitted etc etc. It's better than it was, but the battery(ies) still sounds flat when cold cranking, and it takes up to 15 seconds to fire
The jump pack is always left handy